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He means an adjacent spot that doesn't have its own charger. Often the cables can reach to the next "regular" spot beside the charger or behind it. Depends though on where your charge port is located on your vehicle and how close you can park without interfering with the other driver being able to get in/out. But I've seen it in action a few times now - so it can work out for both parties.
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mr_raider wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 6:15 pm
But if the adjacent spot is free? it has it's own charging cable?
No, most places two spots share one charging station.
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caraj4u wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 12:57 pm
With more and more countries announcing the ban on sell of new petrol and diesel vehicles in the future and pushing for EV's, i am wondering what will be the future of gas stations say after 15 years from now? Or they all will turn into charging stations and start charging $20 for a charge?
Hope Europe enjoys the sweet sweet smell of burning coal to power their electric cars.
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hagbard wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 8:44 am
Hope Europe enjoys the sweet sweet smell of burning coal to power their electric cars.
Almost 90% of new power in Europe from renewable sources in 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... urces-2016

The end of coal: EU energy companies pledge no new plants from 2020
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -from-2020

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Europe’s Coal Power Is Going up in Smoke -- Fast
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ne-thought

There's work to be done, but coal is on its way out.
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CanadianLurker wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 1:32 pm
There are over 250 million registered vehicles in the USA and over 25 million in Canada. When you add in things like gas powered lawn mowers, snow blowers, weed wackers, ski-doos, boats, etc, etc, it will be a lot longer than 15 years before gas stations go out of business.

They might start to see volumes drop and closing low traffic locations, but they'll still be around in 15 yrs.
I'm not disagreeing with you but I wouldn't say it can't happen.

How many 2-stroke engines do you see these days? They pretty much disappeared over the span of 10 years and I don't believe they were even actually banned (if I'm not mistaken, all that changed is that some lakes in California imposed rules where 2 stroke engines had to meet stricter pollution regulations and following that, all the manufacturers switched to 4 stroke). I do think it will take significantly longer for gas engines to disappear but I don't think 15 years is inconceivable especially if legislation is passed to prohibit them. How many people do you know that have 10 year old cars (probably not many)? How many with 15-20 year old cars? A lot can change in 15 years.


Back to the original response, I think it makes sense that gas stations will eventually have some paid recharging stations but I don't think gas stations as we know them will be replace fuel pumps by electrical "pumps". They (the gas stations) are designed to support "quick in - quick out" volume and even with DCQC, that doesn't work. Gas stations just aren't designed to have a dozen+ cars parked there for 30+ minutes to recharge (and 3-4 hours if it's not quick charge). I think malls / restaurants / coffee shops / etc (i.e. somewhere where there's something to do for those 30 minutes (or 60+ minutes if you are waiting for a charging station) while you are waiting.
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I have a question regarding trying to actually purchase these EV vehicles.

I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to buying any vehicle, let alone an EV. As we all know demand for these vehicles are super high at least in the GTA.

I've read on how to negotiate getting the car at the dealer invoice price or potentially lower for regular cars.

Has anyone actually gotten an EV at or below the invoice price not including the sweet Ontario credit considering the high demand?

I'm looking to get the Volt or Ioniq Electric.

Input would be greatly appreciated.
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casey888 wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 11:12 am
I have a question regarding trying to actually purchase these EV vehicles.

I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to buying any vehicle, let alone an EV. As we all know demand for these vehicles are super high at least in the GTA.

I've read on how to negotiate getting the car at the dealer invoice price or potentially lower for regular cars.

Has anyone actually gotten an EV at or below the invoice price not including the sweet Ontario credit considering the high demand?

I'm looking to get the Volt or Ioniq Electric.

Input would be greatly appreciated.
I would have to disagree with the statement "these vehicles are in super high demand" - EVs and PHEVs only sell 1 for every 25 regular car that's sold. That said, they are hard to find at dealerships as many don't want to stock too many of them and supply from the manufacturers can be hard to get depending on the make / model. I think your ability to negotiate is probably going to be hurt by that availability. I haven't looked into it but I believe if you want to get a Volt, you can just go to a dealer and order one and you'll get it in a reasonable amount of time but because it's not a car on the lot, I don't believe you'll have much negotiating power.
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Lot models are in high demand as they're scarce/sold out.
But as Michel said, you should be able to order one. (With exception of models that have exceeded build orders and are not available for new orders, of course)

Your best bet for price is to find a dealer that sells many of them. Only guaranteed way to get invoice is to be in the employee or supplier price plans. But not everyone has access to that.
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I have direct experience.

Volt - Chevy dealer can move $1500 on occasion, but some dealers treat the Ontario rebate as the discount, and they even say that to your face.

Ioniq - Hyundai dealer refused to budge on MSRP. Too much demand. Effectively sold out now anyway.

Smart - I negotiated $4000 off MSRP in 2013. I have a deposit on a new Smart ED and the first offer from the dealer was $2500 off MSRP.

Tesla - No negotiation. Inventory cars are reduced price based on age on lot, km driven as loaner, etc. Discount (if any) posted on Tesla website.

Nissan - Are willing to budge on MSRP on remaining 2017 inventory. Reservations on 2018, but no fixed pricing besides MSRP announced.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 4:27 pm
Anyone know how long the incentives are going to last for?? I'd like to get an EV within 5 years hopefully. Im not sure where the government is getting the funds to pay for this subsidy. If it's carbon taxes or gasoline car registration fees then I'm completely fine with that. There is a cost of pollution and it's time ICE cars paid their fair share without getting constant subsidies. But if the government is getting the funds from debt or other sources, then I'm guessing the gravy train will be coming to an end shortly. I just want to know when that is so I can make some plans. Thanks!
The ON government INTENDS to keep the program until 2022 or if the program funds are exhausted, but depends on if Liberal gov wins or loses next election around June. I'm in the same boat so most likely I'll try my best to use the rebate by first few months of 2018, but who really knows, the shortage of all the EVs suck right now.
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Hey Guys, we are in the market for another car and were looking into EVs. Just wondering if there's anyone who would know what the estimated date of receival would be if we were to order it today. For any ev under ~$40000. Is there any EVs that are in inventory at dealers? Such as the eGolf or FFE or even the Fusion Energi
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hanzala27 wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 2:43 pm
Hey Guys, we are in the market for another car and were looking into EVs. Just wondering if there's anyone who would know what the estimated date of receival would be if we were to order it today. For any ev under ~$40000. Is there any EVs that are in inventory at dealers? Such as the eGolf or FFE or even the Fusion Energi
I just got an email today from Montreal dealership that this FFE is still in stock and asked if I want to test drive it. It seems like the last one in stock in Eastern Canada. If someone wants to get it, better call the dealer and put a deposit over the phone, lol. I bought one in July and couldn't be happier.
You should be able to find Fusion Energi or order 2018, but it's not BEV, it's PHEV (plug-in hybrid) and rebate is just $7730
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hanzala27 wrote:
Sep 12th, 2017 2:43 pm
Hey Guys, we are in the market for another car and were looking into EVs. Just wondering if there's anyone who would know what the estimated date of receival would be if we were to order it today. For any ev under ~$40000. Is there any EVs that are in inventory at dealers? Such as the eGolf or FFE or even the Fusion Energi
Leaf and Volt are probably going to have decent inventory around. Leaf is about to be replaced by a 2nd gen model, so you may even be able to get current ones at good deals. Ford's C-Max Energi and Fusion Energi are PHEVs that get smaller credits in ON so they haven't been as popular / unobtanium as the waitlisted FFE.
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From the Toronto Electric Vehicle Association Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/TEVAssociation/

" Great news is Mitsubishi Outlander finally arriving Feb 2018 with starting price of 42k minus approx 10k in on govt rebate and leasing will be available! 12kwh battery and Chademo fast charging will give you around 50km range!"

This would be the first SUV PHEV, but they should have put at least an 18kwh battery in there!

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