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Mike15 wrote:
Jan 6th, 2019 10:11 pm
That makes more sense. L1 charging should be about 4mph or 7km/h, depending on the efficiency of a given EV. 110v * 12A = 1.32kW. Many EVs are rated between 16 & 18 kWh per 100km. Works out to 5-6km per kWh.
Pulling 12A consistently from a standard plug is sketchy. As far as efficiency goes, I am impressed they are rated around 200Wh/km now, it used to be higher.
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divx wrote:
Jan 6th, 2019 11:48 pm
I figured southern ontario is where most of the charger would be at, so even Ottawa is outside of the concentrated zone. Still, L2 should be widely available, no?
I live in Ottawa, there's only one set of 8 Tesla Superchargers here, in the parking garage of a busy downtown mall. In a Paid parking garage, so it's not super ideal.

There are a bunch of other 50kW DC L3 chargers around, assuming a Tesla driver has the CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter it should be relatively easy to get a charge. Lots of L2 around as well.
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divx wrote:
Jan 6th, 2019 11:48 pm
I figured southern ontario is where most of the charger would be at, so even Ottawa is outside of the concentrated zone. Still, L2 should be widely available, no?
There were some just not where I was. I don't leave my car at Ikea and have someone drive me back home for a few hours. We used the casselman supercharger on our way in to get to 80% then the level 1 kept us close to that when we left. Made it to the Kingston supercharger on our way back to the GTA. I was going 125kph so I wasn't maximizing range and there was a lot of wind.
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TheTall wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 8:50 am
I live in Ottawa, there's only one set of 8 Tesla Superchargers here, in the parking garage of a busy downtown mall. In a Paid parking garage, so it's not super ideal.

There are a bunch of other 50kW DC L3 chargers around, assuming a Tesla driver has the CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter it should be relatively easy to get a charge. Lots of L2 around as well.
Yah lots of L2 around Ottawa just not where I was parking. Supercharger and just so much better when they build the nepean one it will be much better when traveling from the GTA, fill up there and again when leaving Ottawa.
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MarcP wrote:
Jan 5th, 2019 9:22 pm
If a relatively unknown company wants to stand out in traffic and get people talking, I guess that's what they have to do. Show something unique that will catch eyeballs.
Yeah but it's HOW you catch eyeballs that matters. If they're trying to get people out of ICE trucks, they're dealing with a pretty conservative bunch - witness the extremely mild changes in every F-150 and Ram generation - they barely alter the look. IMO EV designs that are "weird" and ugly don't help adoption (see BMW i3), they stay niche. I think Tesla has shown that successful EVs need to look like attractive regular gas cars.

If I were building the Rivian vehicles and wanted to really challenge the ICE-hold, I'd shamelessly stick as close to the most successful truck and SUV designs as I can without getting sued - make the differentiator the tech/range/acceleration/gas savings without making the style divisive. It doesn't even look like the style changes are for aerodynamics/efficiency - both models look like they have the aerodynamics of a brick which I'm sure will also be a challenge for efficiency. This is why the Tesla "SUV" (Model X) ended up looking more like a big car vs a box.
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divx wrote:
Jan 6th, 2019 11:51 pm
Pulling 12A consistently from a standard plug is sketchy. As far as efficiency goes, I am impressed they are rated around 200Wh/km now, it used to be higher.
Well, I don't know what Tesla model Wacko has. US EPA rates Model X efficiency as low as 40kWh/100mi on the combined cycle. Model S can be around 33kWh/100mi. Model 3 in the high twenties. It's a big range, overall, but Model 3 is rated in line with Leaf, Bolt, eGolf, etc.. RWD Model 3s are almost as efficient as the Ioniq (25kWh/100mi).

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSe ... wLimit=200

Converted, 40kWh/100mi = 248.5Wh/km, 33 = 205Wh/km, 29 = 180Wh/km, etc.. Of course, around town vs. on the highway at 120km/h would make a difference too.
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holy smokes I am losing hell lot of range at -10C.

I wonder if the battery will even work at -30C.
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Anikiri wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 10:19 am
holy smokes I am losing hell lot of range at -10C.

I wonder if the battery will even work at -30C.
Preheat the car while it is charging. Makes a whole lot of difference.

Also to maximize range, turn down the cabin heat and turn up seat heater. Smiling Face With Open Mouth

So far with winter weather & studded tire, my winter consumption is around 180 Wh/km compared to 145 in the summer.
Mike15 wrote:
Jan 6th, 2019 10:11 pm
That makes more sense. L1 charging should be about 4mph or 7km/h, depending on the efficiency of a given EV. 110v * 12A = 1.32kW. Many EVs are rated between 16 & 18 kWh per 100km. Works out to 5-6km per kWh.
I got exactly 7km/hr for my Model 3 from level 1 charging.
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Anikiri wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 10:19 am
holy smokes I am losing hell lot of range at -10C.

I wonder if the battery will even work at -30C.
Time to get the e-tron.
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alanbrenton wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 11:22 am
Time to get the e-tron.
Can you spare some change? Say... 80k?
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Anikiri wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 11:23 am
Can you spare some change? Say... 80k?
I will be saving up for the Macan BEV lol but if Toyota/Lexus/Honda/Acura comes up with a 300 km winter BEV, the Macan bet will be off and I can help partially fund your gofundme page.
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alanbrenton wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 11:22 am
Time to get the e-tron.
If only we knew anything about the real world range, servicing costs or anything else it would be possible to consider it. Since it's a 2019 vehicle and in theory arriving pretty soon, my guess is the figures aren't amazing or we'd be hearing all about it from Audi?
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bya1998 wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 1:57 pm
If only we knew anything about the real world range, servicing costs or anything else it would be possible to consider it. Since it's a 2019 vehicle and in theory arriving pretty soon, my guess is the figures aren't amazing or we'd be hearing all about it from Audi?
the bar is set so low with the current EV offerings, including Tesla on the quality-front.

I don't think it's going to be amazing on any specific feature but at least we are certain that the leases will be more competitive than on a Tesla.
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divx wrote:
Jan 6th, 2019 11:51 pm
Pulling 12A consistently from a standard plug is sketchy. As far as efficiency goes, I am impressed they are rated around 200Wh/km now, it used to be higher.
Not sure why it's sketchy to pull 12A on a 15A breaker, but I did start at 8A for 2 hours then moved to 10A. The next night I did the full 12A. didn't trip breaker and this was probably a 30+ year old panel and I was using a 25ft extension cord :)
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b166er1337 wrote:
Jan 7th, 2019 10:33 am
Preheat the car while it is charging. Makes a whole lot of difference.

Also to maximize range, turn down the cabin heat and turn up seat heater. Smiling Face With Open Mouth

So far with winter weather & studded tire, my winter consumption is around 180 Wh/km compared to 145 in the summer.



I got exactly 7km/hr for my Model 3 from level 1 charging.
well done, i see you bought a m3. that is impressive to only use 180Wh/km in the winter with winter tire. it is mostly climate control that eats up all the extra juice.

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