Father Fights to get into Canada after Mother of his Children Murdered

[JAC]

You have three black kids here that are going to fall through the cracks if something isn't done. The 7 year old is now traumatized and he still thinks his mom is just down the street at church. The 4 year old says nothing but "mommy dead". All of this information was from the grandmother.

Do you have a link to a news story?

I don't care what kind of a person the father is. I don't care why he was deported or why he didn't apply to extend his visa.

You should. It's thinking like yours that keeps us from taking a hard line on illegals; then we end up with people like Plante.

Why can't we set the priorities straight? The priority is the kids involved. The 7 year old is begging to see his father and the father wants to be with the kids. Exceptions can be made. Let the father into Canada so he can attend his wifes funeral. They're still married. Let him back into Canada so he can take care of his kids. He was working as a mechanic at the time he was first deported. The man can make a living.

Tragic, but kids are suffering all over. These won't be the first, and they wont be the last.

All of you that voted NO I really hope in 15 years these kids rob you and taking everything you have. There is no one to blame but yourself.

Uh, no. Let's start with the father for leaving three kids and a wife on welfare. Let us then proceed to the welfare mother, who apparently is willing to shack up with anyone who buys her drinks in a bar. Let us then look at the Canadian Immigration system who let another illegal immigrant stay in the country and KILL HER!

Spare us your tear-jerker rants. I want to know why this guy couldn't get citizenship with a Canadian wife and kids.

[trini]

Well chi chi man thay do not automatically grant you an extension if you apply for a visa extension the process takes so long that you end up exceedinig your stay anyway.
This cost money in case you dont know and just acquiring a visa is hard enough.
They then send you a warning notice if you do not come in thay will come and arrest you and deport you anyway.
so dont think the immigration system is all nice,it might be favourable for europeans and so on but other people have a very difficult time.
Immigration in Canada is in the habit of keeping families apart.

However there is generally more to it than what is being said.
He could be on a particular list or have certain undesirable friends etc.

Black kids falling through the cracks have nothing to do with this decision because these kids probably know the price of an S class Mercedes or the laest nike shocks ompared to their school work it's their own culture and attitude that helps them through the cracks.

[mjl_toronto]

Well pink chi chi man thay do not automatically grant you an extension if you apply for a visa extension the process takes so long that you end up exceedinig your stay anyway.
This cost money in case you dont know and just acquiring a visa is hard enough.
They then send you a warning notice if you do not come in thay will come and arrest you and deport you anyway.
so dont think the immigration system is all nice,it might be favourable for europeans and so on but other people have a very difficult time.
Immigration in Canada is in the habit of keeping families apart.

trini is right. People assume that immigration is really simple in Canada and only bad people are deported. Well, I had a friend who studied at McGill with a student visa, later was granted a work visa and worked as a sound engineer for 4 years in Toronto. He was married and had 2 children born in Canada. He applied for landed immigration status and figured it would be easy since he was well educated, had a very good job for a huge post-production movie company and had 2 canadian citizen children. Well, he was denied his immigration and forced to quit his job and deported from Canada only a couple months after his second child was born. He hired 3 different lawyers and none of them were successful in assisting him. He was even denied his appeal and is now fighting to come back to Canada to be reunited with his wife and kids. The lawyers all agree that this was the most bizarre case of denied immigration and even suggested publishing his story since it was very unique.

Doesn't make sense why the government wants to split families. It absolutely disgusts me how they can make decisions like that so easily.

My vote goes to letting the guy back in to Canada.

[d_jedi]

Messy how? As in criminal charges? No, not at all.

Sure the parents can forbid the child from seeing the guy. They can call the police and the police will try and mediate the situation. But they WONT charge you with rape, sexual assault or statutory rape.

Yes, a minor is a minor and is treated as such. But the other person who the minor has consentual sex with will not be charged for the event.

It can get messy if the parents decide that they dont want the guy on their property and he comes anyway and he gets charged with trespassing. But as far as the sex act itself, the dude is free and clear.

As far as taking a look at the laws a bit closer, I invite you to join me in my law class at Osgoode hall. Perhaps you can tutor me.

Well, specifically.. this section of the criminal code:

153. (1) Every person who is in a position of trust or authority towards a young person or is a person with whom the young person is in a relationship of dependency and who

(a) for a sexual purpose, touches, directly or indirectly, with a part of the body or with an object, any part of the body of the young person, or

(b) for a sexual purpose, invites, counsels or incites a young person to touch, directly or indirectly, with a part of the body or with an object, the body of any person, including the body of the person who so invites, counsels or incites and the body of the young person,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Definition of "young person"

(2) In this section, "young person" means a person fourteen years of age or more but under the age of eighteen years.

Now, the "relationship of dependency" or "position of trust or authority" is not necessarily a difficult thing to prove. I haven't taken any law classes in a few years, but I believe those are, at least in part, based on the mens rea of the young person whom the offense is allegedly committed against.

Then again, IANAL, and the case law may say something completely different..

And then there's this section:
159. (1) Every person who engages in an act of anal intercourse is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Exception


(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to any act engaged in, in private, between

(a) husband and wife, or

(b) any two persons, each of whom is eighteen years of age or more,

both of whom consent to the act.

[trini]

Interesting enough south of the border.
In the late seventies or early eighties that if you had a child born in the US prior to that time you would be a citizen very easily but it's changed since then and the child has to be 18 years old to be able to sponsor the parent if he or she chooses to.