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Filming Soccer Games ? DSLR / IPAD / Camcorder ? HELP

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Filming Soccer Games ? DSLR / IPAD / Camcorder ? HELP

Hi All,

I video my kids games using an IPAD but sometimes I'm too far from the field and the quality is meh ....to say the least. It does the job and all but was wondering your suggestions or how others film the games? Is a good DSLR camera with video a good idea? Camcorder ? I looked at GoPro before but the issue was it has no zoom in or out feature...

Appreciate your feedback.

Thanks
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most modern point and shoot will do the job ...perhaps a camcorder...but those are dinosaurs...

DSLR...not sure you want to lug that thing...it's hard enough caring for a child off the field...and then lugging a DSLR...(this coming from a guy who use to carry a D700 but less now with 2 kids)


(go pros are more for recording what you are doing...ie wearable camera...vs...you recording someone...(a P&S can do a better job and cheaper)

and please dont use an ipad...you're blocking ppl viewing angles hehe
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thelefteyeguy wrote:
Feb 23rd, 2016 2:08 pm
most modern point and shoot will do the job ...perhaps a camcorder...but those are dinosaurs...

DSLR...not sure you want to lug that thing...it's hard enough caring for a child off the field...and then lugging a DSLR...(this coming from a guy who use to carry a D700 but less now with 2 kids)


(go pros are more for recording what you are doing...ie wearable camera...vs...you recording someone...(a P&S can do a better job and cheaper)

and please dont use an ipad...you're blocking ppl viewing angles hehe

Thanks for the feeback. I'm a dinosaur -lol what is a moder point and shoot? I'm filming a game (sorry if point and shoot is term used for video as well)....
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iHateShaw wrote:
Feb 23rd, 2016 3:27 pm
Whats your budget
Don't really have one...$1,000 ?
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nrcanada wrote:
Feb 23rd, 2016 4:03 pm
Don't really have one...$1,000 ?
Is this an indoor or outdoor field? Are the games usually during the day with a lot of light? Do you care about 4K video capture? Are you only going to be using this for video or for stills as well?
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Hawk25 wrote:
Feb 23rd, 2016 5:09 pm
Is this an indoor or outdoor field? Are the games usually during the day with a lot of light? Do you care about 4K video capture? Are you only going to be using this for video or for stills as well?
Mostly outdoor with lighting or at night under lights...some stills.. Mostly video
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Please keep in mind of recording time limits on cameras. If you want to record more than 30 minutes of footage without having to press the record button again, you'll have to stick with a camcorder.
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Get a cheap HD (1920x1080) digital camcorder with a stabilized 20x zoom and a cheap tripod or at least a monopod or shoot with

I retired recently from being a soccer dad, assistant coach, member of the club executive. After 10 years of standing field side in all weather conditions and mostly shooting with $1500 lens + $1000 DSLR body for still photos for my daughters soccer and using an inexpensive 12x zoom P&S for shooting my sons indoor ball hockey and taekwando, the camcorder is probably the best tool for the job for videos.

Having said that, if you only intend to catch a moment or two here and want the option to get some decent quality still shots, get a superzoom bridge camera. You've probably already discovered that you don't have to shoot the entire game - shooting when your kid picks up the ball and starts running up field, or if your child is in goal, start the video when the other team comes back into your end in order to catch the big save, will capture lots of memories.

The latest superzoom P&S bridge camera give decent video quality. Better than my 8mm camcorder from 18 years ago and much better than an iPad.

Better yet are some of the 1" sensor cameras just coming into the market..... I'll post a list later as I have to step away for a couple of hours. Your $1000 budget will likely get you into one of these.

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Definitely consider the Panasonic FZ1000 - it shoots not just HD 1920x1080 but also 4K video. This is one of the 1" sensor models I was thinking of. The video is time limited like almost all of the cameras in this class. There are lots of sample video's on YouTube, Vimeo, and elsewhere. Also, check Flickr for still image samples.

A couple of points about these models - you will likely have to have a second battery to get through a full 90 minute soccer game even if not capturing video the entire time, and to capture 4K video they have to have high speed memory cards. Make sure you get at least what the manufacturer recommends, if not faster.

As to the amount of focal length you require, I shot still images of soccer on full size fields with a lens offering 75mm-750mm equivalent focal length. Up to U13 I used a camera offering up to 420mm focal length and on full size fields I would be cropping images shot full width across the field or from the half line back to the goal. Even with the 750mm I cropped lots of shots and shooting the full length of the field, while possible to capture an image where players can be identified, was pointless in the heat of the summer due heat haze. For video it may be different due you will want a slightly wider shot to take in the action.

I would think you will find anything 250mm and longer usable up until they graduate to full size fields at, I think, U11 or U13. I shot soccer video on a $300 P&S offering 392mm equivalent focal length from the half line several times and it was definitely OK for memories. A monopod really helped to steady the shot even though my camera had image stabilization. I also used the same camera inside dimly lit hockey arena's and it was more than enough to capture videos for memories - nothing that would earn an Oscar for videography, but for something to pass on to your kid in 15 years when they leave home, more than adequate.

Focus speed is not critical for video work but fwiw the FZ1000 may be the best of the bunch for still image focus speed due Panasonic using some of the technology from their more advanced 4/3 cameras.


Panasonic FZ1000
- 16x zoom; 24-400mm equivalent
- maximum aperture goes from f/2.8 to f/4.0
https://www.flickr.com/groups/lumix-fz1000/pool/
https://youtu.be/zpyCJdjYFVg
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/p ... z1000A.HTM
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panas ... ndex.shtml
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panason ... dmc-fz1000
https://vimeo.com/search?q=fz1000


Others in this class of sensor with a longer focal length lens include these....

Nikon DL24-500
- just announced; shipping in early summer
- 21x zoom; 24-500mm equivalent
- Maximum aperture falls from f/2.8-5.6 (5.6 at longest zoom)
- 4K video
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/n ... 4-500A.HTM


Sony RX10
- maybe too expensive but its' replacement, the RX10 II aka RX10 m2 is now on shelves, and you may be able to find one discounted or open box.
- 8.33x zoom; 24-200mm equivalent
- maximum aperture is f/2.8 across the entire focal length range
- does not capture 4K video (the new RX10II does)
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/s ... -rx10A.HTM


Canon G3 X
- 24-600mm equiv. F2.8-5.6 lens
- does not have 4K
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/c ... n-g3xA.HTM


Panasonic Lumix ZS100
- recently announced; available mid-March possible
- more of a pocket camera
-10x / 25-250mm f2.8-5.9 range
- 4K video
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panas ... 100_ZS100/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/p ... zs100A.HTM


Compact Long Zoom review
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/2015-ro ... ompacts/15


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NewsyL wrote:
Feb 23rd, 2016 9:08 pm
Get a cheap HD (1920x1080) digital camcorder with a stabilized 20x zoom and a cheap tripod or at least a monopod or shoot with

I retired recently from being a soccer dad, assistant coach, member of the club executive. After 10 years of standing field side in all weather conditions and mostly shooting with $1500 lens + $1000 DSLR body for still photos for my daughters soccer and using an inexpensive 12x zoom P&S for shooting my sons indoor ball hockey and taekwando, the camcorder is probably the best tool for the job for videos.

Having said that, if you only intend to catch a moment or two here and want the option to get some decent quality still shots, get a superzoom bridge camera. You've probably already discovered that you don't have to shoot the entire game - shooting when your kid picks up the ball and starts running up field, or if your child is in goal, start the video when the other team comes back into your end in order to catch the big save, will capture lots of memories.

The latest superzoom P&S bridge camera give decent video quality. Better than my 8mm camcorder from 18 years ago and much better than an iPad.

Better yet are some of the 1" sensor cameras just coming into the market..... I'll post a list later as I have to step away for a couple of hours. Your $1000 budget will likely get you into one of these.

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Thank for the information
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NewsyL wrote:
Feb 24th, 2016 1:03 am
Definitely consider the Panasonic FZ1000 - it shoots not just HD 1920x1080 but also 4K video. This is one of the 1" sensor models I was thinking of. The video is time limited like almost all of the cameras in this class. There are lots of sample video's on YouTube, Vimeo, and elsewhere. Also, check Flickr for still image samples.

A couple of points about these models - you will likely have to have a second battery to get through a full 90 minute soccer game even if not capturing video the entire time, and to capture 4K video they have to have high speed memory cards. Make sure you get at least what the manufacturer recommends, if not faster.

As to the amount of focal length you require, I shot still images of soccer on full size fields with a lens offering 75mm-750mm equivalent focal length. Up to U13 I used a camera offering up to 420mm focal length and on full size fields I would be cropping images shot full width across the field or from the half line back to the goal. Even with the 750mm I cropped lots of shots and shooting the full length of the field, while possible to capture an image where players can be identified, was pointless in the heat of the summer due heat haze. For video it may be different due you will want a slightly wider shot to take in the action.

I would think you will find anything 250mm and longer usable up until they graduate to full size fields at, I think, U11 or U13. I shot soccer video on a $300 P&S offering 392mm equivalent focal length from the half line several times and it was definitely OK for memories. A monopod really helped to steady the shot even though my camera had image stabilization. I also used the same camera inside dimly lit hockey arena's and it was more than enough to capture videos for memories - nothing that would earn an Oscar for videography, but for something to pass on to your kid in 15 years when they leave home, more than adequate.

Focus speed is not critical for video work but fwiw the FZ1000 may be the best of the bunch for still image focus speed due Panasonic using some of the technology from their more advanced 4/3 cameras.


Panasonic FZ1000
- 16x zoom; 24-400mm equivalent
- maximum aperture goes from f/2.8 to f/4.0
https://www.flickr.com/groups/lumix-fz1000/pool/
https://youtu.be/zpyCJdjYFVg
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/p ... z1000A.HTM
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panas ... ndex.shtml
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panason ... dmc-fz1000
https://vimeo.com/search?q=fz1000


Others in this class of sensor with a longer focal length lens include these....

Nikon DL24-500
- just announced; shipping in early summer
- 21x zoom; 24-500mm equivalent
- Maximum aperture falls from f/2.8-5.6 (5.6 at longest zoom)
- 4K video
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/n ... 4-500A.HTM


Sony RX10
- maybe too expensive but its' replacement, the RX10 II aka RX10 m2 is now on shelves, and you may be able to find one discounted or open box.
- 8.33x zoom; 24-200mm equivalent
- maximum aperture is f/2.8 across the entire focal length range
- does not capture 4K video (the new RX10II does)
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/s ... -rx10A.HTM


Canon G3 X
- 24-600mm equiv. F2.8-5.6 lens
- does not have 4K
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/c ... n-g3xA.HTM


Panasonic Lumix ZS100
- recently announced; available mid-March possible
- more of a pocket camera
-10x / 25-250mm f2.8-5.9 range
- 4K video
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panas ... 100_ZS100/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/p ... zs100A.HTM


Compact Long Zoom review
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/2015-ro ... ompacts/15


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Thank you for the detailed explanations!!

To clarify some points. The both play on 11 vs 11 fields. I current film from center with an ipad but the quality and sharpness isn't the greatest hence my thread for suggestions. The games are 90 minutes long, so I need the battery not to be drained (some cases may have 2 games). I film the entire game and then edit the video to capture the vidoes of my kids on the ball etc as I do a year-end video of the year ....I've tried to capture just when they are in the play but its too hard as I'm watching game and get caught up in the action so I find it better to video the entire game and then edit the scenes I want. Also its important that the quality is decent as Im putting together highlights for US coaches for potential future scholarships...

Based on the added information is it best to go with the PS cameras/video or better off with the dinausaur camcorders? LOL
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nrcanada wrote:
Feb 24th, 2016 10:06 am
Based on the added information is it best to go with the PS cameras/video or better off with the dinausaur camcorders? LOL
In that case, if you want something that you can just set and forget, a camcorder would be a better solution since you won't have to worry about the video length limit in digital cameras.

Consider the upcoming Sony FDR-AX53
- shipping next month
- 4K video
- 20x zoom; 26.8-536.0 mm equivalent (F 2.0-3.8)
- high speed recording (120 fps) in HD
- 5.1 audio (in HD only)
- remote control via wifi/smartphone
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nrcanada wrote:
Feb 24th, 2016 10:06 am
Thank you for the detailed explanations!!

To clarify some points. The both play on 11 vs 11 fields. I current film from center with an ipad but the quality and sharpness isn't the greatest hence my thread for suggestions. The games are 90 minutes long, so I need the battery not to be drained (some cases may have 2 games). I film the entire game and then edit the video to capture the vidoes of my kids on the ball etc as I do a year-end video of the year ....I've tried to capture just when they are in the play but its too hard as I'm watching game and get caught up in the action so I find it better to video the entire game and then edit the scenes I want. Also its important that the quality is decent as Im putting together highlights for US coaches for potential future scholarships...

Based on the added information is it best to go with the PS cameras/video or better off with the dinausaur camcorders? LOL
I hear you on being caught up in the action. That is a good thing!! All too soon you'll be wondering what to do with all the extra spare time you have on week nights and weekends. I've missed a few shots of key plays but am glad I still can recall a few that I watched where I was too mesmerized to lift the camera to my eye.

You don't need the best quality for the highlight video - HD 1920x1080 is good enough. You may want some 4K video for your own viewing or to pass on to your kids in a few years. Many coaches preview on their tiny laptop screen which is likely 1366x768 or 1920x1080 on 15" at most. I recall being told that a short video with minimal sound track is best - 3 to 4 minutes is good - music can do more harm than good. Also was told not to get in too tight as the coaches want to see more of the field so as to see how a play develops and how the player reads the field. A 400mm focal length will likely suffice.

You're going to need multiple batteries. There is no way around that - video just eats up battery as compared to still shots in any of the P&S or DSLR cameras I have. With my DSLR I could get through a 90 minute game capturing 400-600 still images on one battery but not if I used it for videos as well. With the Canon P&S I use to shoot HD video inside arenas.... 1 battery per period of hockey and that is with only recording the shifts my son was actually on the floor.

FWIW.... at this time I'm not a big proponent of recruiting via video to USA NCAA schools based on the experiences of several families we know from local sports. Investigate it for sure but don't ignore the Canadian options. The current value of the $CAD is a big negative as full rides (tuition+books+room&board) are the exception, not the norm. USA course credits not being accepted at par on return to Canada is another issue.

Full ride athletic scholarships are not given in Canada but even 100% tuition coverage is the exception. I recall reading that the average athletic scholarship for a female athlete in Canada is about $2600 CAD. Some Canadian schools provide academic scholarships covering 100% of the tuition to ALL their athletes who maintain an 80% grade year over year.

http://en.cis-sic.ca/academicAllCanadians/allcdns

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