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Filming Soccer Games ? DSLR / IPAD / Camcorder ? HELP

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ChinpokoMon wrote:
Feb 24th, 2016 10:39 am
In that case, if you want something that you can just set and forget, a camcorder would be a better solution since you won't have to worry about the video length limit in digital cameras.

Consider the upcoming Sony FDR-AX53
- shipping next month
- 4K video
- 20x zoom; 26.8-536.0 mm equivalent (F 2.0-3.8)
- high speed recording (120 fps) in HD
- 5.1 audio (in HD only)
- remote control via wifi/smartphone
This looks good but unfortunately I need to find a solution by March 10...
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NewsyL wrote:
Feb 24th, 2016 1:03 am
Definitely consider the Panasonic FZ1000 - it shoots not just HD 1920x1080 but also 4K video. This is one of the 1" sensor models I was thinking of. The video is time limited like almost all of the cameras in this class. There are lots of sample video's on YouTube, Vimeo, and elsewhere. Also, check Flickr for still image samples.

A couple of points about these models - you will likely have to have a second battery to get through a full 90 minute soccer game even if not capturing video the entire time, and to capture 4K video they have to have high speed memory cards. Make sure you get at least what the manufacturer recommends, if not faster.

As to the amount of focal length you require, I shot still images of soccer on full size fields with a lens offering 75mm-750mm equivalent focal length. Up to U13 I used a camera offering up to 420mm focal length and on full size fields I would be cropping images shot full width across the field or from the half line back to the goal. Even with the 750mm I cropped lots of shots and shooting the full length of the field, while possible to capture an image where players can be identified, was pointless in the heat of the summer due heat haze. For video it may be different due you will want a slightly wider shot to take in the action.

I would think you will find anything 250mm and longer usable up until they graduate to full size fields at, I think, U11 or U13. I shot soccer video on a $300 P&S offering 392mm equivalent focal length from the half line several times and it was definitely OK for memories. A monopod really helped to steady the shot even though my camera had image stabilization. I also used the same camera inside dimly lit hockey arena's and it was more than enough to capture videos for memories - nothing that would earn an Oscar for videography, but for something to pass on to your kid in 15 years when they leave home, more than adequate.

Focus speed is not critical for video work but fwiw the FZ1000 may be the best of the bunch for still image focus speed due Panasonic using some of the technology from their more advanced 4/3 cameras.


Panasonic FZ1000
- 16x zoom; 24-400mm equivalent
- maximum aperture goes from f/2.8 to f/4.0
https://www.flickr.com/groups/lumix-fz1000/pool/
https://youtu.be/zpyCJdjYFVg
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/p ... z1000A.HTM
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panas ... ndex.shtml
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panason ... dmc-fz1000
https://vimeo.com/search?q=fz1000


Others in this class of sensor with a longer focal length lens include these....

Nikon DL24-500
- just announced; shipping in early summer
- 21x zoom; 24-500mm equivalent
- Maximum aperture falls from f/2.8-5.6 (5.6 at longest zoom)
- 4K video
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/n ... 4-500A.HTM


Sony RX10
- maybe too expensive but its' replacement, the RX10 II aka RX10 m2 is now on shelves, and you may be able to find one discounted or open box.
- 8.33x zoom; 24-200mm equivalent
- maximum aperture is f/2.8 across the entire focal length range
- does not capture 4K video (the new RX10II does)
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/s ... -rx10A.HTM


Canon G3 X
- 24-600mm equiv. F2.8-5.6 lens
- does not have 4K
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/c ... n-g3xA.HTM


Panasonic Lumix ZS100
- recently announced; available mid-March possible
- more of a pocket camera
-10x / 25-250mm f2.8-5.9 range
- 4K video
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panas ... 100_ZS100/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/p ... zs100A.HTM


Compact Long Zoom review
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/2015-ro ... ompacts/15


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Are any of these PS cameras considered a good bridge camera? where do I look if the have 1" sensor?

http://www.costco.ca/Nikon-D5500-24.2-M ... 34688.html

or

http://www.costco.ca/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T5 ... 12920.html

or perhaps this camcorder? http://www.costco.ca/Canon%c2%ae-Vixia- ... 15656.html
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The first 2 are DSLR's. I believe the FZ1000 is superior to them for video and I think they also have the 30 minute time limit issue.
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I've been using the RX10 M1 for over a year. It's a very well built camera, and definitely don't have any regrets. I don't think the auto focus for stills will be fast enough for sports, but to be honest neither will any of the other bridge cameras listed above. It doesn't have the zoom range of the FZ1000, but it'll have better quality stills and video. It'll also let you shoot at a higher shutter speed when zooming because of the constant 2.8 aperture
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nrcanada wrote:
Feb 25th, 2016 7:39 pm
Are any of these PS cameras considered a good bridge camera? where do I look if the have 1" sensor?

http://www.costco.ca/Nikon-D5500-24.2-M ... 34688.html

or

http://www.costco.ca/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T5 ... 12920.html

or perhaps this camcorder? http://www.costco.ca/Canon%c2%ae-Vixia- ... 15656.html
For your uses I wouldn't buy a DSLR unless you're willing to invest in good glass (which is a whole lot more money)
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Hawk25 wrote:
Feb 26th, 2016 12:30 am
I've been using the RX10 M1 for over a year. It's a very well built camera, and definitely don't have any regrets. I don't think the auto focus for stills will be fast enough for sports, but to be honest neither will any of the other bridge cameras listed above. It doesn't have the zoom range of the FZ1000, but it'll have better quality stills and video. It'll also let you shoot at a higher shutter speed when zooming because of the constant 2.8 aperture
I don't think the Sony will be that much better for stills and the Panasonic has a better focus system. Videos - while the Sony does have XAVC S, the Panasonic has 4K. I think the Panasonic is the better value considering the RX10 is about $500 more.

Here's some comparisons for the OP:
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compar ... ny_dscrx10
http://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras ... ic/fz1000/
http://snapsort.com/compare/Panasonic-L ... t-DSC-RX10
http://cameradecision.com/compare/Panas ... t-DSC-RX10

Bridge cameras..... it can mean a variety of things but typically a bridge camera is one using a P&S size sensor with a single self contained lens offering a longish zoom and a full set of controls. Something like these that sell for under $500:

Nikon P600 or P900
Canon SX50 or SX60
Panasonic FZ200 or FZ300

While they offer much longer zoom range than what you can find in the current camera's using 1" sensor's, what you don't get is the low light performance.

The sensor in your iPad is pretty much the same as what you find in a P&S.
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I'd get the camcorder. You can get a larger capacity battery that will allow for a couple hours of recording. Put the camcorder on a tripod and you'll get some good video.
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Based on all the feedback I'm still a bit not sure 100% what to do.

Some have mentioned - Panasonic DMC-FZ1000 - which looks like it can do both well (camera shots and video). Before I pull the trigger just want to confirm that this does both task very well. I am planning on videoing 6 games that are about 1 1/2 long from the stands and just want to make sure the quality would be the same as a good HD or 4K camcorder? I have no issue with 30 min time limit - as I would just need to hit record again to start. Also, I'm sure I would need a back -up battery or 2?

The second part is perhaps look at a 4K entry level camcorder ? and then purchase also a decent camera for the trip? Just trying to see if I should buy 1 of each or simply buy a bridge camera with good video where it would be as comparable to a video camcorder (no lost in quality, zooming, etc).

Need to pull the trigger today to ensure it arrives in time ....
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Buy a GoPro or replica and tie it to your son.

WOULD SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
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nrcanada wrote:
Mar 9th, 2016 9:44 am
Based on all the feedback I'm still a bit not sure 100% what to do...
I have owned other Panasonic long zoom cameras, predecessors to the FZ1000, but not actually owned or used the FZ1000 though I have handled it in store.

Now it is the time to get into forums where there are actual owners and see what they are doing with their cameras and then ask some well thought out questions. These cameras can be found from local stock so I'm not sure why you have to order today when it is still winter in Toronto.

There are 2400+ threads here with FZ1000's mentioned....
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1033?vie ... _dmcfz1000

Then search the above list of threads for "soccer" and it pinpoints into your field of interest a bit better.

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FZ1000 groups on Flickr
https://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?text=fz1000

Still images of FZ1000 soccer shots
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=fz1000%20soccer

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FZ1000 on YouTube
do a search for "FZ1000 soccer"
found this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8L0ttHZV7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJiwtbzYxtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T_2aoo-pyE

but I also found one of a bunch of little kids running around that looked like it had not been converted correctly, terrible quality, so keep that it mind as you view these. Also, make sure you check your Youtube quality as mine would not auto switch to 1080p for viewing on my desktops.

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PS.... I think most of those YouTubes were originally in 4K so I have no idea how much memory card you need for that, batteries, etc. or how the camera records in 1080. YOU need to figure that out. :D
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I would definitely give the FZ1000 a try, it seems to me that it was made for both video and photos in mind. Panasonic's secret ingredient is (way) better than average video capabilities in their cameras, and it will take good still photos as well.
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robertz wrote:
Feb 26th, 2016 1:18 am
I'd get the camcorder. You can get a larger capacity battery that will allow for a couple hours of recording. Put the camcorder on a tripod and you'll get some good video.
+ 1

I tried filming soccer before, you need the larger capacity. To end up with 10 mins of interesting action you need to film the whole game and then edit.

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