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Firefighters making 90k, DB pension, and 4 day weekends

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burnt69 wrote:
Feb 11th, 2018 2:23 pm
Why? The mental picture of me in tight spandex cycling clothing brings you issues?
Moreso your "dramatically above average intelligence" vomit inducing comment
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Feb 7, 2004
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Haldimand
malecoke wrote:
Feb 11th, 2018 12:58 pm
That's another can of worms that you're opening. Put costs aside, fire department usually beats EMS to most medical calls that I've dealt with, unless its a really low priority service call. If you are a person on the other side of this debate (ie the patient or a civilian aiding a situation), you would wanna see emergency response personnel ASAP, regardless if they are fire or EMS. It is just that much more comforting and assuring when you are the one in distress.
Why does fire best ems to scenes? Because they aren’t busy doing other things. And no I wouldn’t want to see anyone with flashing lights. If I’m having a medical emergency I would want someone who can actually help me. This conversation has everything to do with cost. More specifically adjusting municipality budgets to reflect the fact we need more paramedics and less firefighters.
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Aug 10, 2010
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Mars.
Labrie wrote:
Feb 11th, 2018 3:37 pm
Why does fire best ems to scenes? Because they aren’t busy doing other things. And no I wouldn’t want to see anyone with flashing lights. If I’m having a medical emergency I would want someone who can actually help me. This conversation has everything to do with cost. More specifically adjusting municipality budgets to reflect the fact we need more paramedics and less firefighters.
Precisely, and there's also a LOT more fire stations than EMS stations.
Don't be a cooch.
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Dec 22, 2017
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Labrie wrote:
Feb 11th, 2018 3:37 pm
Why does fire best ems to scenes? Because they aren’t busy doing other things. And no I wouldn’t want to see anyone with flashing lights. If I’m having a medical emergency I would want someone who can actually help me. This conversation has everything to do with cost. More specifically adjusting municipality budgets to reflect the fact we need more paramedics and less firefighters.
Because there's more firehalls than ems stations

Pretty easy to understand
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Mar 18, 2005
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Niagara Falls
Labrie wrote:
Feb 11th, 2018 3:37 pm
Why does fire best ems to scenes? Because they aren’t busy doing other things. And no I wouldn’t want to see anyone with flashing lights. If I’m having a medical emergency I would want someone who can actually help me. This conversation has everything to do with cost. More specifically adjusting municipality budgets to reflect the fact we need more paramedics and less firefighters.
It's not uncommon for EMS to be held up at the hospital with a patient. They can be there for hours at a time before the hospital takes over. This is something that is extremely taxing on them. That being said, Fire crews go through a lot of training for first aid as well. They certainly don't have all the training or all the equipment, but they'll do damn well in a pinch.

Also, firefighters server a different purpose as well, they just happen to also overlap as first response. Paramedics seem to be hitting their target response times currently, so it might be difficult to convince municipalities that they should be taking budget away from Fire to put towards EMS.
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Aug 4, 2008
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Toronto
Labrie wrote:
Feb 11th, 2018 11:42 am
The paramedic program in Ontario is well on it's way to becoming a university degree simply due to the ever increasing scope of practice a medic has these days. Medical emergencies are higher than they have ever been and the fire unions are using this as another way of justifying their exorbitant budgets with the creation of the ridiculous "fire-medic" model. Realistically, volunteer firefighters are fighting more fires than full time services these days.
Isn't the paramedic market already saturated?

Part-Time/Low Employment rates?
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Apr 14, 2017
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DT Calgary
rebel_rfd wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 8:31 pm
Isn't the paramedic market already saturated?

Part-Time/Low Employment rates?
Very saturated, but what isn't?
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Feb 7, 2004
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Haldimand
Evil Baby wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 8:05 pm
It's not uncommon for EMS to be held up at the hospital with a patient. They can be there for hours at a time before the hospital takes over. This is something that is extremely taxing on them. That being said, Fire crews go through a lot of training for first aid as well. They certainly don't have all the training or all the equipment, but they'll do damn well in a pinch.

Also, firefighters server a different purpose as well, they just happen to also overlap as first response. Paramedics seem to be hitting their target response times currently, so it might be difficult to convince municipalities that they should be taking budget away from Fire to put towards EMS.
Last year was a big year for paramedics as there were a lot of updates to the documents that govern our scope of practice. Volunteer fire departments are changing their tiered response policies to reflect this which results in fire being tiered less and less to medical calls. Full time departments on the other hand seem to be going to more and more calls to inflate their stats. More often than not they do no actual medical care and simply carry equipment for the medics or hold the door. All very courteous but is it worth the cost of creating a redundant EMS system or would that money be better spent on putting more actual ambulances on the road?
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Haldimand
rebel_rfd wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 8:31 pm
Isn't the paramedic market already saturated?

Part-Time/Low Employment rates?
Historically, yes. However, this year in particular is a big year for hiring. A lot of services are hiring numbers that haven’t been seen in a long time. Even so, it is almost always part time to start. I worked part time for over 3 years before getting a full time position. I worked full time hours but the majority of my shifts were last minute call ins to cover sick/stat time. Every paramedic student becomes well aware of this during rideouts. This is also why a large amount of medics have two jobs.
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Transit police makes $100k walking around handing out tickets and firefighters only make $90k???
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Dec 18, 2016
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malecoke wrote:
Feb 11th, 2018 12:58 pm
That's another can of worms that you're opening. Put costs aside, fire department usually beats EMS to most medical calls that I've dealt with, unless its a really low priority service call. If you are a person on the other side of this debate (ie the patient or a civilian aiding a situation), you would wanna see emergency response personnel ASAP, regardless if they are fire or EMS. It is just that much more comforting and assuring when you are the one in distress.
Doesn't that tell you something then? We need more paramedics and less firefighters. Seems obvious. The reason fire is first on scene most times is because there's not a ton of fires these days. A firefighter also makes more than a paramedic, does it make sense to have them do that job.
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Dec 22, 2017
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WL1980 wrote:
Feb 14th, 2018 12:59 am
Transit police makes $100k walking around handing out tickets and firefighters only make $90k???
Transit police also chased down and subdued and arrested that guy stabbing people on the subway too

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