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Forced Gratuity (Toronto/Ontario)

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Forced Gratuity (Toronto/Ontario)

So, the $11.60 minimum wage in Ontario became $14/hr. officially on January first 2018.
Instead of raised menu prices, it would seem the latest solution is forced Gratuity at some (more) restaurants.
While some of the Hot pot restaurants and Japanese restaurants were already doing this, it seems the list is growing.

The newest example of forced gratuity is Korean Grill House @ Yonge & Bloor. (as of Jan. 2018)
13% is added to the bill on top of the 13% HST.
(even if you are just one person or two people)

Any other recent places to add to the forced gratuity list?
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interesting, were people not tipping?

13% is under what I usually tip so it'd be saving me money
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toronto19850 wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 10:52 am
13% is under what I usually tip so it'd be saving me money
Voluntary tip

Food and drink = $300.00

15 per cent tip = $45.00

13 per cent tax = $39.00

Total bill = $384.00



Fixed service charge

Food and drink = $300

15 per cent tip = $45.00

13 per cent tax = $44.85

Total bill = $389.85

In this case, a service-charge policy will cost you $5.85
Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-i ... le4097563/
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playnicee1 wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 11:43 am
Voluntary tip

Food and drink = $300.00

15 per cent tip = $45.00

13 per cent tax = $39.00

Total bill = $384.00



Fixed service charge

Food and drink = $300

15 per cent tip = $45.00

13 per cent tax = $44.85

Total bill = $389.85

In this case, a service-charge policy will cost you $5.85
Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-i ... le4097563/
what I mean is I usually tip more than 13%, I don't eat out often, 15-25% depending on the service is what I usually tip.

Also I am pretty sure it's illegal for them to charge tips on tax. Or that's what I've read on yelp from people complaining about it and they said they had it changed on the bill. I wouldn't really bother but to each their own
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Did your waiter/waitress let you know that tips is already calculated? If not, you might end up paying 23% tips. LOL, I do that sometimes.

If notified, were you notify before your order or before the bill?

Personally, I prefer to be notified prior to the bill. I would expect top service if I am to pay 13% tips. Because I normally pay 12% tips at places that expect you to tip well and 10% at places that does not expect tips.

Edit: On top of that, if the food is bad. I am DEFINITELY not returning.
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Poppwl wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 3:31 pm
Did your waiter/waitress let you know that tips is already calculated? If not, you might end up paying 23% tips. LOL, I do that sometimes.
It's clearly written in small yellow print on the menu. They expect you to notice. At least it's not a surprise on the bill at the end.
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Although I dislike tipping, I think ayce places should get more tip than a waiter who brings you food and takes it away once. Ayce is constant refreshing the table.

13% seems okay.
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Dynasty12345 wrote:
Jan 7th, 2018 2:47 am
Although I dislike tipping, I think ayce places should get more tip than a waiter who brings you food and takes it away once. Ayce is constant refreshing the table.
13% seems okay.
Most forced tip restaurants (for single or double seating) are averaging a 10-12% forced tip though. 13% is the highest I've seen it...not including the "6-8 or more" places.
I wonder what the norm in the next little while will become.
Maybe KGH will reduce it to match other restaurants doing the same, or the others will suddenly go 13%, since it does make the menu prices look like 2017 pricing after all... (a nice trick to the eye...)
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Hold on a forced tip is being added to a restaurant where you cook your own food?
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playnicee1 wrote:
Jan 7th, 2018 3:12 am
Most forced tip restaurants (for single or double seating) are averaging a 10-12% forced tip though. 13% is the highest I've seen it...not including the "6-8 or more" places.
I wonder what the norm in the next little while will become.
Maybe KGH will reduce it to match other restaurants doing the same, or the others will suddenly go 13%, since it does make the menu prices look like 2017 pricing after all... (a nice trick to the eye...)
Well there are no tricks to a price increase, if you used to tip. I guess this would be a 13% price increase for people who didn't tip at all...
The Canterbury Tail wrote:
Jan 7th, 2018 8:17 am
Hold on a forced tip is being added to a restaurant where you cook your own food?
Tips go the waiter...who doesn't cook your food at other restaurants
:facepalm: I can see why they have mandatory tips now...
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Poppwl wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 3:31 pm
Did your waiter/waitress let you know that tips is already calculated? If not, you might end up paying 23% tips. LOL, I do that sometimes.

If notified, were you notify before your order or before the bill?

Personally, I prefer to be notified prior to the bill. I would expect top service if I am to pay 13% tips. Because I normally pay 12% tips at places that expect you to tip well and 10% at places that does not expect tips.

Edit: On top of that, if the food is bad. I am DEFINITELY not returning.
That usually happens anyways if paying by machine and using the presets which IMO is a scam. Preset says 15% tip but the tip is applied to the after tax total which means you’re paying more than 15%.
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That's why when given the options of 0%, 10%, 15%. I am forced to do a 10. If I am giving the option to punch my own %. I go 12%!
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i kind of don't blame them. as long as they are up front about the gratuity policy i don't really mind, assuming the service is good.
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playnicee1 wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 5:54 am
The newest example of forced gratuity is Korean Grill House @ Yonge & Bloor. (as of Jan. 2018)
13% is added to the bill on top of the 13% HST.
(even if you are just one person or two people)

Any other recent places to add to the forced gratuity list?
La Facture (French version of Marketplace) had a question on forced gratuity for groups. As long as you are warned ahead, gratuity can be forced. In addition, this gratuity is taxable unlike the voluntary one which is considered to be a gift.

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/tele/la-fact ... eservation
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toronto19850 wrote:
Jan 6th, 2018 10:52 am
interesting, were people not tipping?

13% is under what I usually tip so it'd be saving me money
I had a forced tip on a group for 17% at a Boston Pizza which really turned me off, especially since the service was awful.

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