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Gas prices to rise at least 10 cents per litre in 4 provinces in April: analyst

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$1.679 today in Vancouver area. Broke the record from last summer.


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engineered wrote: It's pretty well established that when gas prices go up, people buy more fuel efficient vehicles. It's not an immediate effect though, as people would only change their decision the next time they buy a car, like when their lease is up.
That's too slow of a movement, and that may not factor in the fact that all cars are comparatively and generally more fuel efficient than before.

Why is it that SUV sales have gone up? Not because of higher gas prices.

The point remains, if you want drastic change, you need drastic taxes, not just an extra 10 cents. Furthermore, if it's about environment, cars being more fuel efficient is only one aspect, if more cars are on the road, the total impact could be the same or more despite a lower average footprint on a per vehicle basis. Hence, why drastic measures need to be taken, such that behaviour is affected, not just future purchase decisions.
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Alivenate wrote: $1.679 today in Vancouver area. Broke the record from last summer.

God help us all.
Ha ha. God won't help us, not even Allah. They're too busy laughing at our pathetic attempts.
And the price you quoted, 9 cents of that is Carbon Tax. In other words, general revenue. This tax will be like every other tax. The governments get sucked in and then can't live without all those bucks rolling in.
Taxes are like cocaine and heroin. Gimme more.
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Pete_Coach wrote: And SNC Lavilin and Alberta Oil Sands projects...yes, you were wrong Bombardier is not the only ones. LOL
NL per capita is misleading because of a small population ,so it is not unusual. For instance, Ontario has the largest non sovereign country debt in the entire world https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ho ... ebt-really
Can New Foundlanders afford to repay their debt? They have the highest debt to GDP ratio among all provinces.
Don't believe? Just ask anyone there.
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vkizzle wrote: What do you expect, considering we have the worst public transportation infrastructure?
I am sure that the fact we live in a cold climate has nothing to do with the bad gas mileage?
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Bb0231 wrote: Can New Foundlanders afford to repay their debt? They have the highest debt to GDP ratio among all provinces.
Don't believe? Just ask anyone there.
Can any Province repay their debt? Almost all are running deficit budgets so, Newfoundland is not unusual. Picking on the Newfies fun for you? LOL
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iownyou wrote: At least carbon tax is not progressive....
finally catching a break...
But the rich would pay a proportionally higher amount, because I'm pretty sure their lives are more carbon intensive (bigger house, cars, more things, more flights, etc).
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That's too slow of a movement, and that may not factor in the fact that all cars are comparatively and generally more fuel efficient than before.

Why is it that SUV sales have gone up? Not because of higher gas prices.

The point remains, if you want drastic change, you need drastic taxes, not just an extra 10 cents. Furthermore, if it's about environment, cars being more fuel efficient is only one aspect, if more cars are on the road, the total impact could be the same or more despite a lower average footprint on a per vehicle basis. Hence, why drastic measures need to be taken, such that behaviour is affected, not just future purchase decisions.
Well we're on the same page, now you wan to discuss on how to get there more quickly. But if you try too quickly, you will just inflict pain on the public as the economy can only change so quickly.
HammerJoe wrote: I am sure that the fact we live in a cold climate has nothing to do with the bad gas mileage?
You mean due to higher ethanol content in the winter? Or more idling to warm up the car? Though in the very hot areas people idle to cool down the car.
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HammerJoe wrote: I am sure that the fact we live in a cold climate has nothing to do with the bad gas mileage?
My fuel economy increased by 2L/100km the past winter, despite swapping to winter tires and idling a min of 10min every morning waiting with my kid at the bus stop.
I'm sure the idling accounts for most of the increase, which can be avoided, but if chose not to.
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If they or anyone is serious about climate change, should stop free trade deals to countries with virtually non existent regulations or extreme corruption. Higher production of mass goods contributes to it.

There should also be a major tax then on shipping goods directly to your house. Think of the wasted resources, packaging, waste just to get a single product to your house.

See this graph below? That is basically China. And even more below. That is based on... outsourcing!! That's why, to try to empty the spoon with a teaspoon (gas tax) is not acceptable without tackling outsourcing, making illegal Amazon type businesses (with taxpayer funded resources no less), and even plane travel (leisure and shipping). Ships that move all those goods from over seas also have no emissions control really and are a major contributor of emissions.

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at1212b wrote: If they or anyone is serious about climate change, should stop free trade deals to countries with virtually non existent regulations or extreme corruption. Higher production of mass goods contributes to it.

There should also be a major tax then on shipping goods directly to your house. Think of the wasted resources, packaging, waste just to get a single product to your house.

See this graph below? That is basically China. And even more below. That is based on... outsourcing!! That's why, to try to empty the spoon with a teaspoon (gas tax) is not acceptable without tackling outsourcing, making illegal Amazon type businesses (with taxpayer funded resources no less), and even plane travel (leisure and shipping). Ships that move all those goods from over seas also have no emissions control really and are a major contributor of emissions.
You can criticize China when per capita we're much worse. We need to lead by example. If we were proactive, then we would have just cause to levy a carbon tax on imported goods as well.

As for home delivery, I'm not convinced that it's any less efficient than shipping to a store, powering the store, driving to the store, then driving back. It would be interesting to see real estimates, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's about the same. What is bad is the excessive packaging. Amazon could do a lot better by letting us save up deliveries for once every week or 2, to save on delivery waste and packaging waste.
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at1212b wrote: If they or anyone is serious about climate change, should stop free trade deals to countries with virtually non existent regulations or extreme corruption. Higher production of mass goods contributes to it.

There should also be a major tax then on shipping goods directly to your house. Think of the wasted resources, packaging, waste just to get a single product to your house.

See this graph below? That is basically China. And even more below. That is based on... outsourcing!! That's why, to try to empty the spoon with a teaspoon (gas tax) is not acceptable without tackling outsourcing, making illegal Amazon type businesses (with taxpayer funded resources no less), and even plane travel (leisure and shipping). Ships that move all those goods from over seas also have no emissions control really and are a major contributor of emissions.

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I love those graphs.

How much of it is because of manufacturing Offshoring?
I heard those guys want their jobs back, NOW.


Are we going to stop trading with the rest of the world???
Have u talk with the canola farmers? Where will the oil from TMP go to? Dump into the sea???
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poleman wrote: Ha ha. God won't help us, not even Allah. They're too busy laughing at our pathetic attempts.
And the price you quoted, 9 cents of that is Carbon Tax. In other words, general revenue. This tax will be like every other tax. The governments get sucked in and then can't live without all those bucks rolling in.
Taxes are like cocaine and heroin. Gimme more.
Probably makes up for the losses in the land transfer taxes from home sales.
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"The economists who spoke to CBC for this story suggest B.C.'s tax is working as it should. By making pollution more expensive to reflect the environmental costs, the tax appears to have changed the behaviour of British Columbians and led to a drop in greenhouse gas emissions.
"This carbon tax is a model for the world that well-designed carbon pricing can be good for the environment and the economy. In the 11 years since B.C. brought in its carbon tax, it's outpaced the rest of Canada both on emission reduction and GDP growth," said Stewart Elgie, a professor of law and economics at the University of Ottawa.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5083734
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smacd wrote: "The economists who spoke to CBC for this story suggest B.C.'s tax is working as it should. By making pollution more expensive to reflect the environmental costs, the tax appears to have changed the behaviour of British Columbians and led to a drop in greenhouse gas emissions.
"This carbon tax is a model for the world that well-designed carbon pricing can be good for the environment and the economy. In the 11 years since B.C. brought in its carbon tax, it's outpaced the rest of Canada both on emission reduction and GDP growth," said Stewart Elgie, a professor of law and economics at the University of Ottawa.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5083734
The question is how much did the government pay for this study and how much did Stewart get.
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carmaster wrote: The question is how much did the government pay for this study and how much did Stewart get.
:facepalm:
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smacd wrote: :facepalm:
motor vehicles have gotten more fuel efficient over that time, cost of insurance has gone up, cost of living up, and perhaps we are becoming less healthy as a result of not going out as much or making cheaper food choices. so in the grand scheme is it really beneficial? hard to say because of so many factors, perhaps its shifted the problem somewhere else, we just don't know it yet.
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smacd wrote: "The economists who spoke to CBC for this story suggest B.C.'s tax is working as it should. By making pollution more expensive to reflect the environmental costs, the tax appears to have changed the behaviour of British Columbians and led to a drop in greenhouse gas emissions.
"This carbon tax is a model for the world that well-designed carbon pricing can be good for the environment and the economy. In the 11 years since B.C. brought in its carbon tax, it's outpaced the rest of Canada both on emission reduction and GDP growth," said Stewart Elgie, a professor of law and economics at the University of Ottawa.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5083734
Garbage. Stop posting trash.
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Posted that before but the pro carbon tax spin doctors never acknowledge it. So be it.
The whole "we will charge you carbon tax and we give it back to you" is bad magic. Our pollution output is still the same, if not worse, even considering the efficiency and cleanliness of vehicles is getting better and better every year.
Revenue neutral my ass. LOL
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What do you expect to hear from the head of the Canadian Taxpayers Association?
Surprise, surprise...the Fraser Institute doesn't like it either.
Can we all at least agree that we must reduce our carbon output? Altruistic methods don't work. Charging more to carbon producers is the tool we have. It makes more efficient vehicles more attractive to the market and steers both development and purchasing. Revenue from carbon taxes can be and is used to offer incentives for lower carbon alternatives.

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