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Good minivan for 20k for a new baby and a dog

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jgmaull wrote:
May 27th, 2015 7:14 am
You might be surprised at how big the Dodge journeys are inside. We went from minivan to one - we have 2 kids. Well equipped for the price. Had it 14months, quite pleased with it - this is my first dodge/Chrysler too. check out this ad:
You know that a dodge journey is a minivan right? Putting 4 doors on a caravan doesn't change the fact its a caravan with 4 doors. Beyond that buying one makes no sense, if you are buying a minivan why loose the usefulness of the sliding door and the cargo capacity? Lets add on the absolute abysmal quality and the non existence of retaining value.... If you've decided that you just HAVE to have a dodge and it HAS to be new and it NEEDS to fit your family, there is literally ZERO reason to get a journey over a caravan. Well, unless you're delusional and think its an SUV and not a less useful minivan.
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kr0zet wrote:
May 27th, 2015 8:21 am
You know that a dodge journey is a minivan right? Putting 4 doors on a caravan doesn't change the fact its a caravan with 4 doors. Beyond that buying one makes no sense, if you are buying a minivan why loose the usefulness of the sliding door and the cargo capacity? Lets add on the absolute abysmal quality and the non existence of retaining value.... If you've decided that you just HAVE to have a dodge and it HAS to be new and it NEEDS to fit your family, there is literally ZERO reason to get a journey over a caravan. Well, unless you're delusional and think its an SUV and not a less useful minivan.

Its a crossover, not a minivan. Just like a venza isnt a minivan.


The dodge cvp is fine, just budget for the brake jobs every 50-70k and do tranny flush maintenance on time. I'm on my 5th work one right now at close to 200k and still lots of life left in it before my Nissan 200nv downgrade comes in.

Previous dodge vans:

2007 retired 2009 with 290k due to tranny problems. Lot of brake jobs.
2009 retired in 2010 with 150k (approx) more brake Jobs.
2010 retired in 2012 with 175k (approx) just brake jobs.
2012 wriften off in 2013 with 60k (approx) due to a deer collision. No repairs at all up to that point. Was likely repajrable, just not cost effective.
2012 currently at 165k, had some problems with intermittent check engine light, they fixed with a tsb. Also minor recalls for rear with rear window switch and key fob fixed without problems.


For a cheap family and hardware hauler you can't go wrong with them. Sure you can buy a Toyota or Honda at twice the price for comparable vans, but I'd rather have an extra 20 grand in my pocket for a replacement.

Nothing sadder than 10 year old rusted import vehicles rolling around owners are still making payments on...
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Wow, that's 840k on Caravans since 07. Crazy.
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blainehamilton wrote:
May 27th, 2015 5:36 pm
Its a crossover, not a minivan. Just like a venza isnt a minivan.


The dodge cvp is fine, just budget for the brake jobs every 50-70k and do tranny flush maintenance on time. I'm on my 5th work one right now at close to 200k and still lots of life left in it before my Nissan 200nv downgrade comes in.

Previous dodge vans:

2007 retired 2009 with 290k due to tranny problems. Lot of brake jobs.
2009 retired in 2010 with 150k (approx) more brake Jobs.
2010 retired in 2012 with 175k (approx) just brake jobs.
2012 wriften off in 2013 with 60k (approx) due to a deer collision. No repairs at all up to that point. Was likely repajrable, just not cost effective.
2012 currently at 165k, had some problems with intermittent check engine light, they fixed with a tsb. Also minor recalls for rear with rear window switch and key fob fixed without problems.


For a cheap family and hardware hauler you can't go wrong with them. Sure you can buy a Toyota or Honda at twice the price for comparable vans, but I'd rather have an extra 20 grand in my pocket for a replacement.

Nothing sadder than 10 year old rusted import vehicles rolling around owners are still making payments on...
Good to know.
Thank you for your input.
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kr0zet wrote:
May 27th, 2015 8:21 am
You know that a dodge journey is a minivan right? Putting 4 doors on a caravan doesn't change the fact its a caravan with 4 doors. Beyond that buying one makes no sense, if you are buying a minivan why loose the usefulness of the sliding door and the cargo capacity? Lets add on the absolute abysmal quality and the non existence of retaining value.... If you've decided that you just HAVE to have a dodge and it HAS to be new and it NEEDS to fit your family, there is literally ZERO reason to get a journey over a caravan. Well, unless you're delusional and think its an SUV and not a less useful minivan.
It never ceases to amaze me why people feel like they need to be nasty. No a journey is not actually a minivan and there are many reasons why it would be good over a CVP Caravan if you only have one child much like the OP is going to (if I remember correctly) . One of which is gas mileage. While not that much difference, there is still a difference. Additionally , there are a few convenience features that the grand caravan does not offer thst the journey does (for example- the key that u only have to have on you rather than looking for it to open the door. As a mother of 2 - let me tell you that that is extremely convenient rather than looking in diaper bags etc... Finally , not everyone acts needs the full cargo space of a minivan, I was only offering an alternative that perhaps would be worth checking out - I personally was debating between the two and chose Journey because of the downfalls of the base package of a caravan. Anyone who has had more than one child and put them beside each other on the centre bench seat will understand what I am talkjng about. Also, having one in the third row - especially y when they are younger does not give ease of access -- and without the rear air/ heat ducts that the CVP dos not offer - the third row can be quite uncomfortable . You may say-... Meh, who cares, just kids , suck it up , but parents may care if they have to deal with miserable children scream and yelling because of it.

Just a perspective ... Option to look at ... Really is need centred.

And btw - everyone has a different price range- mine for expel is not what it was 2 children and 10 years ago - if someoneis looking at keeping it for more than 5 years , who cares if resale has declined. The value is to the person who owns it.

I wish people would stop feelin that they need to express their opinions in ways that attack others - just present it and move on that is what I plan to do from here on
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jgmaull wrote:
May 27th, 2015 7:24 pm
It never ceases to amaze me why people feel like they need to be nasty.
Who's being nasty? Or are you perceiving nastiness from facts you dont agree with?
jgmaull wrote:
May 27th, 2015 7:24 pm
No a journey is not actually a minivan and there are many reasons why it would be good over a CVP Caravan if you only have one child much like the OP is going to (if I remember correctly) .
Actually it is as much a minivan built on the avenger platform as the Mazda 5 is a minivan, just without the sliding doors. Or wait, is the PC term CUV now? Or is that just marketing buzz...
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May 27th, 2015 7:24 pm
One of which is gas mileage. While not that much difference, there is still a difference.
You are right, there is a small difference but the winner is the Caravan. Check Fuely and you will find that year after year the caravan is ahead in gas milage. (the smaller number is better)
jgmaull wrote:
May 27th, 2015 7:24 pm
Additionally , there are a few convenience features that the grand caravan does not offer thst the journey does (for example- the key that u only have to have on you rather than looking for it to open the door. As a mother of 2 - let me tell you that that is extremely convenient rather than looking in diaper bags etc...
The broad term you are looking for is a SmartKey and yes the Caravan has that option (Dodge lists it as an option but I cannot find it on the vehicles page). As a father of twin toddlers I have them on my new Grand Cherokee and although nice they are not a deal breaker.
jgmaull wrote:
May 27th, 2015 7:24 pm
Finally , not everyone acts needs the full cargo space of a minivan, I was only offering an alternative that perhaps would be worth checking out - I personally was debating between the two and chose Journey because of the downfalls of the base package of a caravan.
I offered a counter point. I take it you disagree? Then we agree to disagree.
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May 27th, 2015 7:24 pm
Anyone who has had more than one child and put them beside each other on the centre bench seat will understand what I am talkjng about. Also, having one in the third row - especially y when they are younger does not give ease of access -- and without the rear air/ heat ducts that the CVP dos not offer - the third row can be quite uncomfortable . You may say-... Meh, who cares, just kids , suck it up , but parents may care if they have to deal with miserable children scream and yelling because of it.
First of all its nice that you assume 'Anyone who has had more than one child will understand'. I have two toddlers, i know what you are referring to and again disagree. My kids share books, read to each other, play games, colour... while their car seats are beside each other in my parents Crew Cab bench. They do none of these things in the back of my Grand Cherokee as their car seats are separated. Also second row 'buckets' are an option (would cost more) but solve the bench dilemma and the caravan offers rear HVAC as a separate system from the front system; again another option that would add cost. Also; as I have twin 3 year old's I wouldn't say Meh, who cares.
jgmaull wrote:
May 27th, 2015 7:24 pm
And btw - everyone has a different price range- mine for expel is not what it was 2 children and 10 years ago - if someoneis looking at keeping it for more than 5 years , who cares if resale has declined. The value is to the person who owns it.
No, if the mentality is to drive it till it falls apart or is worthless then there is even less reason to get a new journey OR caravan over say a used toyota or honda. In 10 years there is a substantially larger chance that you would have spent less on the cost of ownership of the used vehicle than on the new one.

All that being said the real reason to pick the caravan over the journey? The caravan comes standard with the pentastar v6 and the journey has the 2.4 I4. I have 2 co-workers that have journeys with the 2.4 and I have a Grand Cherokee with the 3.6, I consistently get better gas mileage than them and when you check fuely its not just me. You want to know why? The journey is this generations PT Cruiser; a giant brick powered by a crap engine and just as the PT cruiser was trying to be a cool station wagon, the journey is trying to be a cool minivan.
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boonjaca wrote:
May 19th, 2015 12:39 pm
My friend is looking for a mini-van for about 20k and he was wondering what people would recommend. He would like something relatively new, 2 years at the oldest. His first baby is coming around the beginning of November and he also has a dog as well.

Thanks in advance.
If the budget is 20k, and he is looking for a 0-2 years old minivan. I think grand caravan is the only choice. I don't think you can get a odyssey or sienna for that price.
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Fearfree wrote:
May 28th, 2015 1:26 am
If the budget is 20k, and he is looking for a 0-2 years old minivan. I think grand caravan is the only choice. I don't think you can get a odyssey or sienna for that price.
+1 if a minivan is what he is determined on.
He should just ensure that he is aware of all points from ALL angles that many have been good enough to provide.
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blainehamilton wrote:
May 27th, 2015 5:36 pm

Previous dodge vans:

2007 retired 2009 with 290k due to tranny problems. Lot of brake jobs.
2009 retired in 2010 with 150k (approx) more brake Jobs.
2010 retired in 2012 with 175k (approx) just brake jobs.
2012 wriften off in 2013 with 60k (approx) due to a deer collision. No repairs at all up to that point. Was likely repajrable, just not cost effective.
2012 currently at 165k, had some problems with intermittent check engine light, they fixed with a tsb. Also minor recalls for rear with rear window switch and key fob fixed without problems.
I typically sell my Sienna or Odyssey at 9 yrs of age - due to boredom and/or desire for a new vehicle - not because of mechanical issues.
If you value your time buy Odyssey or Sienna.
If you don't mind asking your self every time you climb in a minivan - "What's going to go wrong with the POS today" buy a Chrysler product.
Just make sure you buy your Caravan at what ever dealer has the most comfortable chairs in their Service Dept because your ass is going to be spending a lot of time there.
Remember the Chrysler Minivan motto "Stow and Go (to the Service Dept)."
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boonjaca wrote:
May 19th, 2015 1:53 pm
Can he get any of the japanese vehicles in his price range?

He was thinking of a new caravan since they are cheap.
They are cheap if you only consider the initial cost. For most people the most expensive part of a car purchase is the depreciation, especially if your friend want a new-ish one.

I remember one of the car magazines had done a long term review on an Odyssey at one point, and they found it was actually the cheapest car to OWN if you include the initial cost, maintenance cost and depreciation, mainly because their resell value is so high. The most expensive car to own, based on their numbers, was a Ford Escort. So that kind of give you an idea about the initial cost vs total cost.
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We owned 2 generation of Caravan. And right now my dad drives a newer gen. Caravan (2013). So total 3 caravans. Nothing but trouble. No idea why my dad likes it so much.
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Wow, that's 840k on Caravans since 07. Crazy.
...painful way to spend your time on the Road. :(
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boonjaca wrote:
May 19th, 2015 12:39 pm
My friend is looking for a mini-van for about 20k and he was wondering what people would recommend. He would like something relatively new, 2 years at the oldest. His first baby is coming around the beginning of November and he also has a dog as well.

Thanks in advance.
Let your friend do his own research.

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