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The Great Water Heater Rental Scam

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chimaican wrote:
Aug 16th, 2017 11:40 pm
Not to derail the thread, but, general question regarding water softeners since there is conflicting information all over the web. Some say pro others the opposite. Do water softeners shorten or lengthen the longevity of a water tank?
My whole plumbing system would seize up without a water softener. Especially the shower heads with their tiny holes. As it is with a 3k+ softener we get some of the rain head holes clogging. I can't see how the water heater wouldn't suffer the same fate from hard water. The minerals would build at the bottom of the tank and you would be heating through all that scale. Should always take a bucket off the bottom every month.
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chimaican wrote:
Aug 16th, 2017 11:39 pm
I would tend to agree with this. I think when it comes to the health of the tank, a lot of it depends on the hardness & water quality in your area, and whether the tank was properly maintained. Was the anode rod changed out no later than every 5 years? Changing the rod will extend the life of the tank.
I did not know this! Good information as I bought mine. Would I require a plumber to come in and do this? Anything else that would extend the life of the tank?
chimaican wrote:
Aug 16th, 2017 11:40 pm
Not to derail the thread, but, general question regarding water softeners since there is conflicting information all over the web. Some say pro others the opposite. Do water softeners shorten or lengthen the longevity of a water tank?
Most definitely yes if you live in area with hard water! Hard water makes a mess of things - even will destroy your kettle if you don't descale it. Technically anything above 0grains per gallon is considered hard but obviously there's varying degrees. I live in a city with very hard water - household water is 24 grains/gallon.

https://www.fcwa.org/water/hardness.htm
http://funkyfluff.ca/water-hardness-in-canada/
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chimaican wrote:
Aug 16th, 2017 11:40 pm
Not to derail the thread, but, general question regarding water softeners since there is conflicting information all over the web. Some say pro others the opposite. Do water softeners shorten or lengthen the longevity of a water tank?
From what I understand of the processes involved, a water softener will shorten the life of the tank if the anode rod is not inspected and changed as needed.
The residual salt in the water increases the rate of galvanic action, so the sacrifical anode will deteriorate more rapidly. A water softener will reduce scale build up in the hot water tank hard water, but if the anode is not replaced, the scale build up, in my opinion, is a moot point.
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Anyone know when the next GSW sale at Lowe's will be?

It's weird, the Lowe's website has a banner indicating $150 off water heaters but none of them are showing any price reductions.
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konfusion666 wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 8:34 am
Anyone know when the next GSW sale at Lowe's will be?

It's weird, the Lowe's website has a banner indicating $150 off water heaters but none of them are showing any price reductions.
Yeah the sale is on now, but it's on selected units and up to $150, so, some are $50, $100, and $150. Go to the HWT section and on the very bottom left side, click on the special value filter. The 60G GSW is $150 off.
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koffey wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 9:26 am
Yeah the sale is on now, but it's on selected units and up to $150, so, some are $50, $100, and $150. Go to the HWT section and on the very bottom left side, click on the special value filter. The 60G GSW is $150 off.
For anyone in the market, the current sale model (60 gallon) is a BIG tank.

I went from a rental 40g to a GSW 50g and there is MORE than enough hot water for most households.
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MrFrugal1 wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 8:22 am
From what I understand of the processes involved, a water softener will shorten the life of the tank if the anode rod is not inspected and changed as needed.
The residual salt in the water increases the rate of galvanic action, so the sacrifical anode will deteriorate more rapidly. A water softener will reduce scale build up in the hot water tank hard water, but if the anode is not replaced, the scale build up, in my opinion, is a moot point.
The benefits of soft water out weighs any negatives towards the hot water heater. You have considerably more plumbing that would benefit from soft water.
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MrFrugal1 wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 8:22 am
From what I understand of the processes involved, a water softener will shorten the life of the tank if the anode rod is not inspected and changed as needed.
The residual salt in the water increases the rate of galvanic action, so the sacrifical anode will deteriorate more rapidly. A water softener will reduce scale build up in the hot water tank hard water, but if the anode is not replaced, the scale build up, in my opinion, is a moot point.
Yes, that was my understanding too, thx. So, need to change the anode sooner than every 5yrs, like every 3.5-4yrs
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koffey wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 9:26 am
Yeah the sale is on now, but it's on selected units and up to $150, so, some are $50, $100, and $150. Go to the HWT section and on the very bottom left side, click on the special value filter. The 60G GSW is $150 off.
Thanks, I see it now. I don't know if I need 60G though. I'm a DINK; dual income no kids :D

The 50G (for $859) is more than enough for us, even if the 60G is on sale at $999

But I'd still prefer to get the 50G when IT is on sale... hope they have a back-to-school event in September or something.
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Gee wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 9:50 am
The benefits of soft water out weighs any negatives towards the hot water heater. You have considerably more plumbing that would benefit from soft water.
Yeah, York Region is pretty bad for hard water isn't it?
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Indeed, keep your eye opened. I know someone used to bump or post in the hot deals section when it was on sale. I just checked all the flyers for this week and lowes is the only one with a hwt sale going on.
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MrFrugal1 wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 8:22 am
From what I understand of the processes involved, a water softener will shorten the life of the tank if the anode rod is not inspected and changed as needed.
The residual salt in the water increases the rate of galvanic action, so the sacrifical anode will deteriorate more rapidly. A water softener will reduce scale build up in the hot water tank hard water, but if the anode is not replaced, the scale build up, in my opinion, is a moot point.
The anode rod becomes more redundant with soft water. No limescale to deal with.
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Blitzo wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 9:11 pm
The anode rod becomes more redundant with soft water. No limescale to deal with.
I'm curious what, if any, maintenance needs to be done on the water heater with or without a water softener? Do I need to get the anode checked every x years? From your post, seems like no.
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Blitzo wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 9:11 pm
The anode rod becomes more redundant with soft water. No limescale to deal with.
Quite the opposite.
You are confused about the purpose of anode rods. They have nothing to do with scale or scale build up.
From a Goodle search for "Anode rod" :
These metals include aluminum, magnesium, and zinc. The rod is screwed into the top of your water heater and protects your water heater from rusting. When the tank is filled with water the anode rod sacrifices itself to protect the exposed steel of the water heater, through a method called electrolysis.
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Jazmina wrote:
Aug 18th, 2017 9:19 pm
I'm curious what, if any, maintenance needs to be done on the water heater with or without a water softener? Do I need to get the anode checked every x years? From your post, seems like no.
Under average water conditions, and the manufacturer of the tank, a water heater will usually last 10-15 years with nothing done to it. My mother's atmosphere vented (chimney) 40 gallon natural gas tank lasted 19 years.
This is why the rental companies business model works so well for them. They know that on average a tank will last roughly 12 years, and if they charge $35 a month rental, they'll get a $20,000 return on investment.

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