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The Great Water Heater Rental Scam

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Gee wrote:
Oct 31st, 2017 5:48 pm
I would be really surprised if the power vent used that much power.
I wanted to use a smart plug/outlet but not sure if 15 amps is okay or if it is a fire hazard.

The 30 amp switches are expensive and negates a lot of future savings lol.
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alanbrenton wrote:
Oct 31st, 2017 5:53 pm
I wanted to use a smart plug/outlet but not sure if 15 amps is okay or if it is a fire hazard.

The 30 amp switches are expensive and negates a lot of future savings lol.
It’s not a fire hazard, but it would trip the breaker
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Gee wrote:
Oct 31st, 2017 5:56 pm
It’s not a fire hazard, but it would trip the breaker
So there is very little chance that 15 amp outlet/plug will burn?
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alanbrenton wrote:
Oct 31st, 2017 5:04 pm
How much amps do the typical gas water tank heater run on?

If it says 30 amps, does it really reach that high a current during its operation?
Every PV I've seen has a standard 15A 3 prong plug attached.
Where did 30A come from?
There's no way that tiny motor uses more than 1800W.
Giant furnace motors are typically 500W.

30A (240V) would be an electric heater (the elements).
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China and malaysia have nothing on ontario when it come to pv's
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alanbrenton wrote:
Oct 31st, 2017 5:53 pm
I wanted to use a smart plug/outlet but not sure if 15 amps is okay or if it is a fire hazard.

The 30 amp switches are expensive and negates a lot of future savings lol.
I seriously doubt the total power usage in a PV is more than 500 watts, certainly not 30 amps. Meter would spin like crazy. I have a wattage analyzer... if I can find it will throw it on my tank I bought from Lowes 3ish years ago

Edit: duh on me... my PV has a standard 3 prong plug. Certainly not a 30 amp plug. And it's a 15 amp circuit 100%.
Gbill2004: Thanks but I'll just smell the couch before/if I buy it.

jonnyb: I go in there like PICASSO and toss the glue everywhere, I don't care what house I'm on.
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Hey Guys,

Need some help before I make any mistakes tho i fear i may have already. Purchased a 3/4 year old home at the end of september. I haven't paid the enbrigde bill yet which includes a section "charges from other companys".

My WH is from enercare at about 30$ taxes in. How do i go about canceling this rental without having to buyout. I had read a few times not to pay any WH fees and to call enercare to pick up their heater.

Will this do? if i haven't paid anything to them then I haven't agreed to their terms and agreement is what i understand the logic to be.

I don't mind buying a new water heater which is significantly better then this 30$ a month.

are my steps:
1. ask enbrigde to block third party charges. (pay my enbrigde bill)
2. Call enercare and tell them to pick up their WH.

What can i expect?

Thanks,
Mike
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mike1232 wrote:
Nov 11th, 2017 1:22 pm
Hey Guys,

Need some help before I make any mistakes tho i fear i may have already. Purchased a 3/4 year old home at the end of september. I haven't paid the enbrigde bill yet which includes a section "charges from other companys".

My WH is from enercare at about 30$ taxes in. How do i go about canceling this rental without having to buyout. I had read a few times not to pay any WH fees and to call enercare to pick up their heater.

Will this do? if i haven't paid anything to them then I haven't agreed to their terms and agreement is what i understand the logic to be.

I don't mind buying a new water heater which is significantly better then this 30$ a month.

are my steps:
1. ask enbrigde to block third party charges. (pay my enbrigde bill)
2. Call enercare and tell them to pick up their WH.

What can i expect?

Thanks,
Mike
What does it say about rental equipment in your purchase agreement?
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Red_Army wrote:
Nov 11th, 2017 7:03 pm
What does it say about rental equipment in your purchase agreement?
I don't really have a copy of the rental agreement. I know its with Enercare, i've serached online and found this agreement and think my house falls under these terms.

https://www.enercare.ca/sites/default/f ... de_506.pdf

Sale of your Home -If you sell the premises, the Agreement shall
be transferred to the purchaser, and we will permit the purchaser to
assume your rights and obligations under the Agreement, effective from
the date of sale, provided that:
a. the purchaser is notified in the agreement of purchase and sale that
the Water Heater is rented and is subject to the terms and conditions
of the Agreement;
b. you advise us in advance of the purchaser’s name and the intended
date of sale;
c. the purchaser agrees in writing or by conduct to rent the Water
Heater in accordance with this Agreement; and
d. you have paid us all other amounts owing under this Agreement.
You hereby authorize us to respond to information requests relating to
your account made by or on behalf of the purchaser

I guess my loophole is C)? by not paying i am not agreeing to the agreement assuming I ask them to pick it up?
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So I have taken possision of my new home for about six months, and I noticed that every month on my enbridge bill I have this water heater rental for 50+tax=57

I though a new unit would only cost 1500 so why pay almost 700 a year in rental, so I called Enercare and I was told this unit is requested by the builder and is an efficient one, if I were to cancel since this is pretty new I would have to pay a 'ransom' buy out fee at 4600 tax included as it has a life of 14 years left

I asked why I can not just ask them to remove this and install my own $1500 prefectly woring water heater, they told me when I took possion of the house from the builder I took over the rental contract as well, so I have no option other than to pay this 4600 to buy it out if I no longer wish to pay the monthly rent, and any dispute I have to settle with the builder(I am sure the builder has put all the legal words in those docs that I signed so there is nothing I can do with the builder)

Any one know if what Enercare told me was right? I have 2 option, either pay $57 a month for this water heater for the nexr 14 years or to pay $4600 to buy it out?
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Correct. Your only option you could have done was never pay them in the first place. As soon as you paid them once, you have agreed to their terms and conditions. There is a very very long thread on this very topic.
Gbill2004: Thanks but I'll just smell the couch before/if I buy it.

jonnyb: I go in there like PICASSO and toss the glue everywhere, I don't care what house I'm on.
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It's not a scam. I'd be willing to bet a nice dinner somewhere that it was in the documentation your builder provided, and that you agreed to.

You could try the HWT rental thread to see if there's something useful in there. But I suspect you're screwed.

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mike1232 wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 12:32 pm
I don't really have a copy of the rental agreement. I know its with Enercare, i've serached online and found this agreement and think my house falls under these terms.
He never asked if you read your rental agreement, he asked if you read your purchase agreement (for your house).
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hgs168174239 wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 12:43 pm
So I have taken possision of my new home for about six months, and I noticed that every month on my enbridge bill I have this water heater rental for 50+tax=57

I though a new unit would only cost 1500 so why pay almost 700 a year in rental, so I called Enercare and I was told this unit is requested by the builder and is an efficient one, if I were to cancel since this is pretty new I would have to pay a 'ransom' buy out fee at 4600 tax included as it has a life of 14 years left

I asked why I can not just ask them to remove this and install my own $1500 prefectly woring water heater, they told me when I took possion of the house from the builder I took over the rental contract as well, so I have no option other than to pay this 4600 to buy it out if I no longer wish to pay the monthly rent, and any dispute I have to settle with the builder(I am sure the builder has put all the legal words in those docs that I signed so there is nothing I can do with the builder)

Any one know if what Enercare told me was right? I have 2 option, either pay $57 a month for this water heater for the nexr 14 years or to pay $4600 to buy it out?
I'm on the same boat with Powerstream as well. Last year I checked, it was 4K to buy it out.

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