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Has anyone heard anything about "Perfect Bulldog Puppies"?

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May 3, 2012
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Has anyone heard anything about "Perfect Bulldog Puppies"?

Just wondering if anyone has heard about them at all?

TIA

Andrea
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Jun 23, 2012
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TORONTO
i just got a puppy from them because i thought it was the cutest little thing. The place i went to looked like a PJ's except there were about 20 of them total and it was in some basement of a house. I know that should not have gotten a puppy from them, but i thought that i could save one, since i just couldn’t resist and i felt really bad for them. Well the puppy died 2 days later, and the vet was telling me that it displayed all the classic symptoms of a genetic disease and that she will write a letter saying so. When i called the owner of the business to tell him of my sad tale, since i got really attached to the puppy, it was my first dog! Well the owner said that he needed to see an autopsy report before he would replace the puppy, there was no question, i could not get the money back, because of the guarantee that he said HE created. So then, since i think that an autopsy is inhumane, especially when it comes to little puppies. So then i asked if i could drive up to Montreal (where they are located, then SHIPPED to Toronto) Davey (the owners name) said 'No'. i begged him since i loved the little fella i got so much i explained to him that i was not interested in doing an autopsy or getting a new puppy because i loved this one but i just wanted to see it's parents to kinda imagine what he would look like if he had lived. He still refused. Then i asked him if he was running a puppy mill and he told me that he "did not like the tone of my voice and from now we will only contact through e-mail" and ended the conversation abruptly. I would do anything to get my puppy back. So now just to prove him wrong, to do the right thing i am going against my morals and trying to get an autopsy done. DO NOT purchase puppies from this place, it is a scam and they do NOT stand behind any moral standards, they are in this business to make as much money as they can and provide as little care to the puppies as they possibly can. Not only that when i first got the puppy apparently the fella ate a quarter cup twice a day, he was semi starving for half a day every day, you cant do that to a 10 week old puppy. They also keep the puppies in a room with no windows and by the looks of it they dont see the outside until someone picks them up.
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Jun 25, 2012
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TORONTO
I looked at their website and did some research.... It looks strange. For contact info there is only a gmail account.... no head office or anything... there's like no info on who owns the place or where the puppies come from. Apparently they absolutely refuse when you ask them to see the parents of the pups (a huge warnign right there). Also they have this link to a vet.. .but they dont say how that's even relevant, its like free add for the vet clinic or something. They are sold ALL OVER CANADA and all you get when you call them is a number of some guy and gives you the adress to go to some small house where no one lives but the puppies are kept in the basement, i'm not sure how the puppies are kept, but chipped, checked or not, i ran outta there, i think you shoudl do the same.
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Sure!
It's a BYB.

Bulldogs have a plathora of health issues, so really do your research on breeders and health testing.
Plan on spending a lot for vet visits .... Skin issues are chronic etc.
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Jul 8, 2012
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I've dealt with them just a couple of months before in Ontario.

1. Like someone else mentioned above, the puppies are located in a small house. The first floor is the work station with couches and a computer and you sign the contract and other stuff if you decide to make the deal. The basement is for the puppies. No one actually "lives" in the house. But there are 2 ladies coming over to do the cleaning for the puppies twice a day. And the puppies do have access to drinking water all the time. It's not the dirty, nasty, horrible puppy mills you see on tv.

2. That wasn't the first time I purchased puppy. I had dealt with several breeders before and they were all private home breeders so it was different. However, even some of them who are totally out of town told me good things about Perfect Bulldog Puppies when I asked them the reputation of different breeders.

3. They do cover all sets of vaccination at a hospital which could be the deal-breaker for a lot of potential customers (compared to most you can find on kijiji who only cover the first set). I got one Frenchie from them and so far she's living healthily and passed all health exams monthly.

4. They breed puppies in Montreal and send them to Ontario first. If they are not all sold in the first few days, then some of them will be sent to BC and Alberta.

I would say that it's not the same as a home breeder who might be single-handedly raising the puppies at his/her own house, and the parents are not on site since they breed puppies in Montreal. But they do have all the contract and medical record and vets support available. So for $1500 (with shots covered) this is the best deal you can get in GTA.
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Jan 23, 2012
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RFDian wrote:
Jul 9th, 2012 8:04 pm
I've dealt with them just a couple of months before in Ontario.

1. Like someone else mentioned above, the puppies are located in a small house. The first floor is the work station with couches and a computer and you sign the contract and other stuff if you decide to make the deal. The basement is for the puppies. No one actually "lives" in the house. But there are 2 ladies coming over to do the cleaning for the puppies twice a day. And the puppies do have access to drinking water all the time. It's not the dirty, nasty, horrible puppy mills you see on tv.

2. That wasn't the first time I purchased puppy. I had dealt with several breeders before and they were all private home breeders so it was different. However, even some of them who are totally out of town told me good things about Perfect Bulldog Puppies when I asked them the reputation of different breeders.

3. They do cover all sets of vaccination at a hospital which could be the deal-breaker for a lot of potential customers (compared to most you can find on kijiji who only cover the first set). I got one Frenchie from them and so far she's living healthily and passed all health exams monthly.

4. They breed puppies in Montreal and send them to Ontario first. If they are not all sold in the first few days, then some of them will be sent to BC and Alberta.

I would say that it's not the same as a home breeder who might be single-handedly raising the puppies at his/her own house, and the parents are not on site since they breed puppies in Montreal. But they do have all the contract and medical record and vets support available. So for $1500 (with shots covered) this is the best deal you can get in GTA.
I have no dealings with this place, but I would guess the dirty, nasty, horrible puppy mill is the place they are actually bred in Montreal. This place is a broker for the puppy mill and is clean since it's the place the buyers will see. I don't care what kind of guarantee is offered, no reputable breeder would knowingly ship their puppies to anyone but the new owner who they have interviewed and approved. A reputable breeder would not recommend this type of setup.

The website has a 'PAY NOW' button at the top of every page - gee, I wonder if they're in it for the money? As MRSPOTATO mentioned, bulldogs have more than their fair share of genetic issues, so you should be extremely diligent in researching a breeder. Minimal research shows that the bare minimum cost for a bulldog puppy should be $2500 - any less and the necessary vet costs and testing will not be covered. You may save $1000 right now, but will easily pay out many times that cost in vet bills, probably in the first few years if you get a bulldog with less than stellar breeding.

If you really want a bulldog, find a bulldog forum, and contact a bulldog club or any 'real' bulldog breeder. http://www.bulldogclubofcentralcanada.n ... lList.html

Please, please do not support puppy mills !!!!
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Interesting that a post from "PerfectBulldogPuppies" with links to their site and 'testimonials' was deleted ... I guess it looks better if their defense is coming from a third party than the company themselves.
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Notme666 wrote:
Jul 9th, 2012 11:44 pm
I have no dealings with this place, but I would guess the dirty, nasty, horrible puppy mill is the place they are actually bred in Montreal. This place is a broker for the puppy mill and is clean since it's the place the buyers will see. I don't care what kind of guarantee is offered, no reputable breeder would knowingly ship their puppies to anyone but the new owner who they have interviewed and approved. A reputable breeder would not recommend this type of setup.
My thoughts exactly. How could anyone think this is anything other than a puppy mill operation just because the place you buy them at isn't "the dirty, nasty, horrible puppy mills you see on tv"? :facepalm: Puppy mills wouldn't be able to exist and make profits if their "store front" was a a bunch of sick, dying, over-bred and miserable dogs in tiny cages.
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Jun 5, 2007
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The original post by "PerfectBulldogPuppies" contained a link to testimonials, but didn't address any of the concerns noted above. That post was since deleted, and immediately afterward, we find a single endorsement by someone who has never posted to this website/forum before. What a coincidence!

If the operation is based in Montreal, then why does their website link to a vet clinic in Richmond Hill? The website isn't functioning properly on my computer, either. Everything about this just screams shady...
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Feb 4, 2010
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Here is two bulldog listings for a person in Ottawa who sells on behalf of PerfectBulldogPuppies.

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-pets-dogs-pup ... Z394080086
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-pets-dogs-pup ... Z393719076

I contacted them several months ago to ask if I could get some more information on their dogs and was told they are an Ottawa broker on behalf of perfectbulldogpuppies.com

We were on our way to come see several dogs in Ottawa when my wife read through the contract on their site (which contains numerous spelling and grammatical errors) as well as a page devoted to celebrity bulldogs (the implication being that we can all be celebrities if we have one).

When I emailed the person in Ottawa back with my concerns he simply responded "fair enough".

I would strongly caution against any operation offering discount bulldogs as you get what you pay for and with brachycephalic dogs such as English and French Bulldogs, a good pedigree/ckc registered breeder can save you thousands off of crippling veterinarian bills down the road.

FWIW, it would seem to me that these people and their representatives in different cities are in it for the wrong reasons.
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Apr 12, 2007
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I call any breeder who doesn't want to get to know a potential buyer, will sell any pup to anyone, etc extremely questionable. My cousin bought a dog from them, and considering she is still just a pup (2 years old), the pup is healthy. I tried to warn her about the possibility of complications down the road, but she was fixed on getting a good deal. We will see....

I don't get the 'good deal' idea. I am purchasing a family member for the next 15 years, why would I cheap out?
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Jul 8, 2012
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Notme666 wrote:
Jul 10th, 2012 3:44 am
I have no dealings with this place, but I would guess the dirty, nasty, horrible puppy mill is the place they are actually bred in Montreal. This place is a broker for the puppy mill and is clean since it's the place the buyers will see. I don't care what kind of guarantee is offered, no reputable breeder would knowingly ship their puppies to anyone but the new owner who they have interviewed and approved. A reputable breeder would not recommend this type of setup.

The website has a 'PAY NOW' button at the top of every page - gee, I wonder if they're in it for the money? As MRSPOTATO mentioned, bulldogs have more than their fair share of genetic issues, so you should be extremely diligent in researching a breeder. Minimal research shows that the bare minimum cost for a bulldog puppy should be $2500 - any less and the necessary vet costs and testing will not be covered. You may save $1000 right now, but will easily pay out many times that cost in vet bills, probably in the first few years if you get a bulldog with less than stellar breeding.

If you really want a bulldog, find a bulldog forum, and contact a bulldog club or any 'real' bulldog breeder. http://www.bulldogclubofcentralcanada.n ... lList.html

Please, please do not support puppy mills !!!!
Before I dealt with them, I have already had 2 dogs from 2 different home breeders. So I totally understand the difference between those home breeders & brokers.

And I've done my research before I bought my very first puppy. Actually most of the breeders I've dealt with told me that not so many people did their homework better than me. Everytime I checked all the questions by calling the breeders on the phone, then made decision about whether or not to pay a visit. And I only buy puppy after my visit.

The fact is, lots of breeders are "in it for the money". Why would they sell puppies if they are not? That's not the buyers' concern. What a buyer should worry about is a)whether the puppy is healthy, b)if the seller has all the document available (especially vet's document).

Some people think the "CKC" or "AKC" could be the guarantee. However, it's easy to get those things with a few hundred bucks these days. Someone feel that one or both of the parents on site could prove something. But how could you tell those are the parents? Especially lots of the dogs look identical. If the seller wants to fool you, there is always a way to do that.

So what a buyer could do is to do their homework carefully so they can make good judgement. Then take your puppy to the vet asap to confirm he/she is fine.

And for the price, it doesn't make any sense to say that the minimal cost should be $2500. It's all about the market and how much the breeders invest in. I've seen a same home breeder selling her 2 litters of puppies with $1000 difference just because the market changed. I've got one boy from her and he's perfect and healthy. Guess what? I only paid less than $1500. I've talked to a bulldog specialist vet and he told me my boy is special and with no genetic health concern. Some breeders might get unlucky and end up investing more on their puppies, so of course they need to sell them for higher price to cover their expenses. I've even dealt with one home breeder who asked for over $8000 for her puppy. She was legit and the puppy was special indeed. But another legit breeder selling the same kind of puppy (color and bloodline) only asked for less than half of her price.

And for many people, they just wanna a bulldog as personal pet, not for the dog show or other use. Paying a few thousand (or even more expensive than their car) is just ridiculous. So of course price is an issue. And since when buying a dog for $1500 for the next 15 yrs is "cheap out"?

As of Perfectbulldog, I can only speak for my own experience in Ontario. I happen to use the same vet as they are using, so there is no communication problem. If there is anything wrong with the puppy (genetically or else), the vet wouldn't approve for them unless he doesn't want his license anymore. And Perfectbulldog can't give me any bullshxxxt about autopsy or something else since the vet is the same.

Right now in this thread only "155balliol" actually dealt with them. I can't and don't wanna defend for this seller and everyone has their own experience. But I don't agree that people "guess" or "assume" some sellers are "puppy mills" or "reputable breeders" without even seeing it with their own eyes. Just consult the vet, do your homework. No one can make the call other than yourself.
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Yes i know about it, this type puppies looking more smart, cuddly and simply joy to our lives.You can looking their picture by visiting the website.
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