Stop crying because you got crappy scores. Maybe next time smarten up and get some 80s.thegoat54 wrote: ↑Correct me if I'm wrong but don't these test scores generally mean squat?!
I got a 71% a 70% and a 68% but its still above the cut off marks.
I would assume that these are just a way of screening people out below the cut off. Now that I have a passing grade they will actually look at my Resume and decide to give me an interview or not.
I mean someone with a 65% on a test but with proper experience and education for the position (Say a degree in Law or Criminology) for a border or immigration officer position is CLEARLY a better candidate than some guy who scored a 90% but has a degree in Basket Weaving.
n'est-ce pas?
Has anyone taken those situational tests for the PSC of Canada?
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My degree in basket weaving is much more rare and sought after than a degree in law. Tons of crappy lawyers around, but barely any grandmaster basket weavers.thegoat54 wrote: ↑Correct me if I'm wrong but don't these test scores generally mean squat?!
I got a 71% a 70% and a 68% but its still above the cut off marks.
I would assume that these are just a way of screening people out below the cut off. Now that I have a passing grade they will actually look at my Resume and decide to give me an interview or not.
I mean someone with a 65% on a test but with proper experience and education for the position (Say a degree in Law or Criminology) for a border or immigration officer position is CLEARLY a better candidate than some guy who scored a 90% but has a degree in Basket Weaving.
n'est-ce pas?
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Yep, that is how it works with all departments that use these generic tests. If you do not appear on the list (compiled by a system), no one will ever see your resume.. in other words your application pretty much rots in the PSC system.
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thegoat54 wrote: ↑Correct me if I'm wrong but don't these test scores generally mean squat?!
I got a 71% a 70% and a 68% but its still above the cut off marks.
I would assume that these are just a way of screening people out below the cut off. Now that I have a passing grade they will actually look at my Resume and decide to give me an interview or not.
I mean someone with a 65% on a test but with proper experience and education for the position (Say a degree in Law or Criminology) for a border or immigration officer position is CLEARLY a better candidate than some guy who scored a 90% but has a degree in Basket Weaving.
n'est-ce pas?
Well, I understand the frustration of what you are going through.. but then agian.. as most of us were witness to. there were a hell of a lot of people at those testing centers. I believe even some PSC invigilators were surprised by the number turnouts..
Hence, there must be SOME way.. a practical way.. of screening out some portion of the applying population.. and that generally depends on the departments.
Although popular opinion might suggest a top-down approach; I have heard that an "index score" of sorts is used to balance out the scores. I've even heard that some departments throw out the "extreme scores" (ie: VERY HIGH) and stick with people within a percentile of the average or median scores..
I believe this is where the z-score discussion could start.. but it has been discussed tremendously already.
Hence, all in all, as some one here already mentioned.. the power of your resume and experience is only a function of the scores that you are willing to produce within those 8 hours or so..
Yeah, perhaps its not an accurate reflection on the job and positions; but it must be done and they aren't the only ones doing it.. take Law schools and the LSAT for example..
Hope it all works out either way..
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these are entry-level positions, experience is definitely not the most important thing that they are looking for. i'm sure they are looking for candidates with potential. a candidate with a score of 90% average among tests is clearly have more potential than those with a 65% average.thegoat54 wrote: ↑Correct me if I'm wrong but don't these test scores generally mean squat?!
I got a 71% a 70% and a 68% but its still above the cut off marks.
I would assume that these are just a way of screening people out below the cut off. Now that I have a passing grade they will actually look at my Resume and decide to give me an interview or not.
I mean someone with a 65% on a test but with proper experience and education for the position (Say a degree in Law or Criminology) for a border or immigration officer position is CLEARLY a better candidate than some guy who scored a 90% but has a degree in Basket Weaving.
n'est-ce pas?
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Sorry to burst your bubble but it's all about the scores. I've been doing these tests for three years. I'm hopeful that finally my scores will be enough to get an interview. Last year I was considered for one job but later screened out because they made the cutoffs higher (CIC).thegoat54 wrote: ↑Correct me if I'm wrong but don't these test scores generally mean squat?!
I got a 71% a 70% and a 68% but its still above the cut off marks.
I would assume that these are just a way of screening people out below the cut off. Now that I have a passing grade they will actually look at my Resume and decide to give me an interview or not.
I mean someone with a 65% on a test but with proper experience and education for the position (Say a degree in Law or Criminology) for a border or immigration officer position is CLEARLY a better candidate than some guy who scored a 90% but has a degree in Basket Weaving.
n'est-ce pas?
I've got an M.A. from U of T and I already work for the Federal Government - therefore, I've got a lot of relevant experience for a lot of the postings.
Retake the tests again next year. I've taken the WCPT and GRT twice and the SJT once. I'm reasonably happy with my scores now, I don't think I can do much better so now I wait and see.
SJT 81/100
WCPT 40/50
GRT 39/55
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polskadz wrote: ↑Sorry to burst your bubble but it's all about the scores. I've been doing these tests for three years. I'm hopeful that finally my scores will be enough to get an interview. Last year I was considered for one job but later screened out because they made the cutoffs higher (CIC).
I've got an M.A. from U of T and I already work for the Federal Government - therefore, I've got a lot of relevant experience for a lot of the postings.
Retake the tests again next year. I've taken the WCPT and GRT twice and the SJT once. I'm reasonably happy with my scores now, I don't think I can do much better so now I wait and see.
SJT 81/100
WCPT 40/50
GRT 39/55
lol youre exactly 1 mark better than me in each one of those tests. but i took it first time. ;p
excpecting an interview.
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So, this is a little non-PSR related, but I think some people who read this thread will be able to provide some assistance.
I applied (in Sept) for a position within the Canada School of Public Service; the results available date was Dec. 13. Yesterday (the 13th), my status was that I had been referred to a hiring agency and that they would contact me if they were interested (or something along those lines). This morning (the 14th), when I went to check the status, the message was gone and it now reads that my results available date is Dec. 15 (tomorrow).
Is this (the removal of the message and change of results available date) good, bad, or ambivalent news?
Thank you!
I applied (in Sept) for a position within the Canada School of Public Service; the results available date was Dec. 13. Yesterday (the 13th), my status was that I had been referred to a hiring agency and that they would contact me if they were interested (or something along those lines). This morning (the 14th), when I went to check the status, the message was gone and it now reads that my results available date is Dec. 15 (tomorrow).
Is this (the removal of the message and change of results available date) good, bad, or ambivalent news?
Thank you!
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Has anyone who applied to the Payment/Benefits Officer positions with HRSDC or Policy/Program Analyst positions with Dept of Public Safety received any offers of interviews or further testing? I know the results are June 1 and April 1...just want to see if there's been any movement.
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Hey man, this should be taken with a grain of salt since I don't think the left hand at DFAIT knows what the right hand is doing, but the person in HR that I spoke with told me that I might not get a formal offer for up to 3 years because last year was the largest recruitment drive ever. I wouldn't hold my breath that they'll be recruiting next year, or the year after.
Oh, and are you bilingual? They made a few offers this year to bilingual people - but for those of us who speak the wrong two languages there were no offers and, I was told a couple weeks ago, there may not be any next year either. No money for language training apparently. Not that this makes any sense, since it's far cheaper to train an anglo Canadian who speaks a difficult language (i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Farsi, etc.) in French than it is to train a bilingual Canadian in those languages, but nothing in DFAIT makes sense.
And the department wonders why it lacks regional representation (i.e. It's overwhelmingly Quebecois), sheesh...
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These are dark days for the public service and the foreign service in particular. A cabinet room full of philistines combined with one of the worst recessions of all time doesn't bode well for traditional reform/alliance targets of 'government waste.'
God willing, as did our cousins to the south, we'll soon emerge from this dark age of goverance and collectively demand 'what were we thinking?'
God willing, as did our cousins to the south, we'll soon emerge from this dark age of goverance and collectively demand 'what were we thinking?'
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Amen to that!anon666 wrote: ↑These are dark days for the public service and the foreign service in particular. A cabinet room full of philistines combined with one of the worst recessions of all time doesn't bode well for traditional reform/alliance targets of 'government waste.'
God willing, as did our cousins to the south, we'll soon emerge from this dark age of governance and collectively demand 'what were we thinking?'
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Hey there,
Well it's pretty sad if DFAIT doesn't keep hiring every year, I guess some people forgot the important role foreign service officers play. Especially as Canada's international image is not great these days, but hey who am I to judge.
I was wondering if any of you guys know if there are other ways of getting into Foreign Service apart from PSR. Let's say working for another department and applying internally? I want this job so badly and am trying to figure out how to attain this goal.
Well it's pretty sad if DFAIT doesn't keep hiring every year, I guess some people forgot the important role foreign service officers play. Especially as Canada's international image is not great these days, but hey who am I to judge.
I was wondering if any of you guys know if there are other ways of getting into Foreign Service apart from PSR. Let's say working for another department and applying internally? I want this job so badly and am trying to figure out how to attain this goal.
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ToraTora,ToraTora wrote: ↑Hey man, this should be taken with a grain of salt since I don't think the left hand at DFAIT knows what the right hand is doing, but the person in HR that I spoke with told me that I might not get a formal offer for up to 3 years because last year was the largest recruitment drive ever. I wouldn't hold my breath that they'll be recruiting next year, or the year after.
Oh, and are you bilingual? They made a few offers this year to bilingual people - but for those of us who speak the wrong two languages there were no offers and, I was told a couple weeks ago, there may not be any next year either. No money for language training apparently. Not that this makes any sense, since it's far cheaper to train an anglo Canadian who speaks a difficult language (i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Farsi, etc.) in French than it is to train a bilingual Canadian in those languages, but nothing in DFAIT makes sense.
And the department wonders why it lacks regional representation (i.e. It's overwhelmingly Quebecois), sheesh...
I completely agree with your comments about the language training, in comparison with the languages that they are looking for French is easy to pick up.
And 3 years? Surely they cannot be serious? After three years the step down to an entry level salary will be too much of a hit for anyone who has the skills to be an FSO. I would think that they would lose most candidates to better offers in the private sector...or maybe this is the plan?
I think your best plan would be to wait and see what happens when the next budget is announced in the house.
Mehkong
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C/C/C...and a few points shy of X status. But thanks for the update, even though it kind of crushed my dreams.ToraTora wrote: ↑
Oh, and are you bilingual? They made a few offers this year to bilingual people - but for those of us who speak the wrong two languages there were no offers and, I was told a couple weeks ago, there may not be any next year either. No money for language training apparently. Not that this makes any sense, since it's far cheaper to train an anglo Canadian who speaks a difficult language (i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Farsi, etc.) in French than it is to train a bilingual Canadian in those languages, but nothing in DFAIT makes sense.
And the department wonders why it lacks regional representation (i.e. It's overwhelmingly Quebecois), sheesh...
And frankly, I think your analysis of DFAIT decision making policy should be expanded onto the whole Public Service. Cost/Benefit analysis is a dirty term...
Let's collectively hope there's an uptick in retirements.
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Now it's back to the same, "the hiring organization will get in touch with you if they're interested" message; does this mean I've made it past one round of screenings?mah19 wrote: ↑So, this is a little non-PSR related, but I think some people who read this thread will be able to provide some assistance.
I applied (in Sept) for a position within the Canada School of Public Service; the results available date was Dec. 13. Yesterday (the 13th), my status was that I had been referred to a hiring agency and that they would contact me if they were interested (or something along those lines). This morning (the 14th), when I went to check the status, the message was gone and it now reads that my results available date is Dec. 15 (tomorrow).
Is this (the removal of the message and change of results available date) good, bad, or ambivalent news?
Thank you!
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[QUOTE]Now it's back to the same, "the hiring organization will get in touch with you if they're interested" message; does this mean I've made it past one round of screenings?[/QUOTE]
Yes & no. Although your application was referred to the actual HR people at said organization, don't be surprised if your CV and status sit like that for months on end without you ever getting a call. All it means is they keep on file, and sadly, nothing usually happens. Though you never know.
Yes & no. Although your application was referred to the actual HR people at said organization, don't be surprised if your CV and status sit like that for months on end without you ever getting a call. All it means is they keep on file, and sadly, nothing usually happens. Though you never know.