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Poll: What is most important in your ONLINE diamond shopping experience?

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amstor wrote:
Jun 23rd, 2017 6:32 pm
Thank you so much.

Would you be able to give me your opinion for other two?

Edit: never mind checking Gia 1248610403.

Could you check please Gia 6231362986 instead ($3238) and Gia 2248858278 ($3486).

Should I be worried that report for Gia 6231362986 has been done a year ago?
6231362986 : the crown and pavilion dont match very well, as the crown is on the steeper side for what would pair well with a 41 pavilion. Also when going with an I color you want to try to optimize the cut for a lower color to show more brightness. So ideally a bit bigger of a table. less depth (the deeper the diamond, the more color shows in general) and a shallower crown angle. I cant comment on the color or clarity as it is not a diamond I have access to.

2248858278: is a really poorly cut diamond. the table is huge 62%, and the diamond is way to shallow at 57, the diamond will have what is called a fish eye effect where you can see the girdle reflection inside the table so it looks like a giant inclusion. Aside from that it is a J color, which combined with very poor light performance will likely look more like a well cut L color. I dont think trading off color for VVS clarity is what you should be looking to do as at that size you would in a well chosen diamond you would never be able to differentiate between SI1 and VVS1 without magnification.

Seems like your looking for "bargain diamonds" really lower prices for a given set of specs. This will almost never work out in your favor as 90% of the time there is a good reason for the pricing and you will be getting a worse deal per say than going with a properly priced specs. finding bargains in this industry is tough and I have 10 years+ experience at it, your best bet is to go with a diamond with textbook specs and pay a little more or work with a company that you trust to help you pick a good diamond. I think you would benefit from reading the thread and getting some more info before continuing your search.
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thediamondshopper wrote:
Jun 25th, 2017 12:18 am
6231362986 : the crown and pavilion dont match very well, as the crown is on the steeper side for what would pair well with a 41 pavilion. Also when going with an I color you want to try to optimize the cut for a lower color to show more brightness. So ideally a bit bigger of a table. less depth (the deeper the diamond, the more color shows in general) and a shallower crown angle. I cant comment on the color or clarity as it is not a diamond I have access to.

2248858278: is a really poorly cut diamond. the table is huge 62%, and the diamond is way to shallow at 57, the diamond will have what is called a fish eye effect where you can see the girdle reflection inside the table so it looks like a giant inclusion. Aside from that it is a J color, which combined with very poor light performance will likely look more like a well cut L color. I dont think trading off color for VVS clarity is what you should be looking to do as at that size you would in a well chosen diamond you would never be able to differentiate between SI1 and VVS1 without magnification.

Seems like your looking for "bargain diamonds" really lower prices for a given set of specs. This will almost never work out in your favor as 90% of the time there is a good reason for the pricing and you will be getting a worse deal per say than going with a properly priced specs. finding bargains in this industry is tough and I have 10 years+ experience at it, your best bet is to go with a diamond with textbook specs and pay a little more or work with a company that you trust to help you pick a good diamond. I think you would benefit from reading the thread and getting some more info before continuing your search.
thank you very much for such detailed explanation. I will look for something else.
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thediamondshopper wrote:
Jun 24th, 2017 11:32 pm
Hi,

Thanks for posting. The first one you linked to looks good all except for one thing, it appears that the clarity grade is based on a cloud, in diamonds over 1ct there is a comment "clarity grade is based on clouds that are not shown" which essentially means that the diamond will have a very hazy appearance especially at SI2 so it will not have good luster and will not sparkle which is the sole purpose of a diamond. I would confirm that that is the case with this diamond as there is no clarity plot on diamonds under 1ct so they wouldnt mention what I quoted above, all it says is Clarity Characteristics: Cloud, though I am 98% sure it wont be a nice diamond. The second diamond has a very very steep pavilion and even though the crown is as shallow as you can go, they wont work together and there will be lots of light leakage. With diamonds if they seem like an incredible deal there is always a reason they are priced the way they are.
Thank you so much. Yeah, the first one just much cheaper than everything else in the market. I will pass with it. This tread helped me to learn a lot. Thank you

I was narrowing down my choices and looks like I found two options that will suit the best. But I don't know which one to choose. They are priced the same (around 3350 CAD). Is it fair price for them? From the picture it looks like they should be eye clean. Am I wrong?

Could you please look and give me your opinion. I just will fill much more confident to make a purchase after your evaluation.

Gia 2185461704 Image

Gia 6255913958 Image


Thank you so much. I'm beyond grateful for your help.
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Persten wrote:
Jun 25th, 2017 2:08 pm
Thank you so much. Yeah, the first one just much cheaper than everything else in the market. I will pass with it. This tread helped me to learn a lot. Thank you

I was narrowing down my choices and looks like I found two options that will suit the best. But I don't know which one to choose. They are priced the same (around 3350 CAD). Is it fair price for them? From the picture it looks like they should be eye clean. Am I wrong?

Could you please look and give me your opinion. I just will fill much more confident to make a purchase after your evaluation.

Gia 2185461704 Image

Gia 6255913958 Image


Thank you so much. I'm beyond grateful for your help.
Your very welcome!

2185461704: is a nice diamond from what I can see, I was able to look it up on the originating suppliers website and there is no luster or color issues and no major black in the table, seems to be eye clean as well. They have it listed as hearts and arrows. Price wise it is a fair price, it is coming from India so shipping is quite high.

6255913958: essentially the same specs as above, just a bit shallower and lower in color by one grade. Really it is a toss up between the two, I cant get any extra info on this one but it appears to be a really nice cut as well. Your decision is between slightly better color and a bit more face up size (barely noticeable as your eye cannot distinguish between less than .1mm). Both look similar in other respects though the videos show alot of light so hard to tell if they are eye clean. I would get Blue Nile to ask the supplier for you if either are eye clean. The supplier dosent list it so I cant tell.
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I was just wondering which online sites in Canada are the best to deal with? I am looking for a ring...not Diamond but wondered if anyone had any suggestions...
I have looked at blue nile (which prices in canadian and ships here for free)
Has anyone dealt with Szul or Super Jeweler.

Also what is the experience as far as border and taxes/duties?
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liquidzyklon wrote:
Jun 22nd, 2017 9:29 pm
Hi DiamondShopper, what a great wealth of information this thread has been for diamond shopping.

I am looking at about 0.9 ct diamond and looking for your opinion on these. Your feedback is much appreciated.
  1. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamon ... 851538.htm ; AGS-104089831020 ; $6320 USD ; I think this is the best one of the batch.
  2. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamon ... 802002.htm ; AGS-104091827041 ; $6241 USD ; Inclusion more visible in the AGS report, but WF state it's eye clean.
  3. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamon ... 628086.htm ; AGS-104084596037 ; $6222 USD ; Lots more specks in the Hearts and Arrow
DiamondShopper, sorry about the initial long list. I've narrowed it down to the top three choices. Your input is appreciated.
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Oct 16, 2006
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Hello thediamonshopper,

I am looking for a engagement diamond that would have lots of sparkle, brilliance and fire within a 2500 to 3000 budget. The diamonds listed below are Ideal cut, G to H in colour and VS2 clarity.

Would these characteristics fit the fire and brilliance (do I need to switch the paramters, as better cut, and drop to SI, or H)
Which of these would be the best diamond to buy?
Would this diamond look good with a French Pavé Diamond Engagement Ring (https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... gold_44725)

I speak for everybody when I say, Thank you so much for helping!!!!

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD07788996 (C$2,870.00)
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08823126 (C$2,868.00)
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08192124 (C$2,830.00)
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DarkEvilKen wrote:
Jun 27th, 2017 3:56 am
Hi @thediamondshopper

How are these for an Ideal Cut?
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-3100816 ($7236CAD)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-2727376 ($7126CAD)

Of the two, which would you recommend (if any)
Your input is much appreciated.

Thanks!
The first diamond you linked to is cut very poorly, the pavilion angle is to steep for any combination of table, depth and crown so there will be alot of light leakage especially in the table. 2 other things with this diamond, it has a brown tinge. Color grades can be based on either a yellow or brown undertone, yellow is much more preferred as it shows alot less. if you compared the two that you linked to from the profile you will see what I mean. Second it is an ok SI1 though you would be better off with something without dark black inclusions.

The second diamonds is an ok cut, its not an ideal cut as the crown is to shallow for the pavilion, but still a nice cut none the less. Actually those parameters, shallow crown and shallow depth are good for I color diamonds to help show less color face up. The clarity is low for an SI1, that is a pretty large dark inclusion right in the table, I would say pretty close to an SI2, which you might be better off going with a nice SI2 with white inclusions and saving you self some money.

Price wise both are expensive for what they are, there are much better diamonds out there for the money.
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engslytherin wrote:
Jun 30th, 2017 5:10 pm
Hello thediamonshopper,

I am looking for a engagement diamond that would have lots of sparkle, brilliance and fire within a 2500 to 3000 budget. The diamonds listed below are Ideal cut, G to H in colour and VS2 clarity.

Would these characteristics fit the fire and brilliance (do I need to switch the paramters, as better cut, and drop to SI, or H)
Which of these would be the best diamond to buy?
Would this diamond look good with a French Pavé Diamond Engagement Ring (https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... gold_44725)

I speak for everybody when I say, Thank you so much for helping!!!!

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD07788996 (C$2,870.00)
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08823126 (C$2,868.00)
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08192124 (C$2,830.00)
Sparkle Brilliance and Fire are all factors of how well the cut is and in that how the proportions work together. Of the three the first is the only one with ideal proportions, the second has a very steep pavilion angle and the third the crown is to steep for the pavilion. Were not given much details on the color and clarity of these diamonds so I cant say to much on that. The first diamond has strong fluorescence which can negatively impact the luster of the diamond and may cause a mikly appearance. I have worked with the cutter of this diamond in the past and they have a wide range of qualities of diamonds so I can say if there are any issues not mentioned on the GIA report. I would confirm that the fluorescence dosent cause a milky appearance in the diamond and that there are no dark inclusions. I do suspect that there are some issues with the diamond as its price in relation to nice 0.7 G VS2 diamonds is on the low end and the cut parameters are good. The thing with diamonds is that if one is priced very well in relations to com parables given the same specs, its likely it is not just a great deal and more likely that there are issues with the diamond.

Good luck
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Hi, thediamondexpert, Thank you for the responses

On your recommendation, I am going to a better cut. The following diamonds have similar parameters with VS2, H colour and sig ideal cut. Of the three which would the most optimal choice?

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08446333
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08242061
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08410708

Thanks once again!
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Hi @thediamondshopper

Thank you for the response. I've learned from your comments how to further narrow down my search to look for a more ideal cut.
Any comments on the following?

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-3119574 (4430USD/5993CAD)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-3029981 (5210USD/7048CAD)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-2876260 (5120USD/6926CAD)

Would you say the first one would be a good value?
again, your responses are invaluable and much appreciated
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