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engslytherin wrote:
Jul 2nd, 2017 2:21 pm
Hi, thediamondexpert, Thank you for the responses

On your recommendation, I am going to a better cut. The following diamonds have similar parameters with VS2, H colour and sig ideal cut. Of the three which would the most optimal choice?

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08446333
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08242061
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your- ... LD08410708

Thanks once again!
They all seem to be nicely cut diamonds. There are videos for all three and and they seem to be decent clarity, though the videos on Blue Nile are not so great in showing the clarity. You would be ok with any of them, though you are paying a steep price increase for their signature ideal diamonds which are priced in line with branded diamonds. I can really help you pick between the three as I dont have enough info and that is a service you should be asking of Blue Nile especially as they have the diamonds in their inventory and can look at them for you.
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DarkEvilKen wrote:
Jul 2nd, 2017 11:15 pm
Hi @thediamondshopper

Thank you for the response. I've learned from your comments how to further narrow down my search to look for a more ideal cut.
Any comments on the following?

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-3119574 (4430USD/5993CAD)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-3029981 (5210USD/7048CAD)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamon ... ku-2876260 (5120USD/6926CAD)

Would you say the first one would be a good value?
again, your responses are invaluable and much appreciated
Your very welcome!

The first one based on the video and the GIA specs seems to be a decent value. You would want to confirm that the luster is not affected by the fluorescence. But aside from that it seems to be a decent diamonds and a fair price. The crown may be a little steep depending on the rounding better if it was rounded up. Aside from that I cant see anything wrong with it.

The second one is likely a little better cut, but IMO as long as the first one checks out not worth the extra money by any means as you would never see the clarity difference except under magnification and even then it is an average VS2.

The third you can see some deviation in symmetry from the video, the crown is shallow for the pavilion especially if it was rounded up and not down. Also its specs would not qualify it for hearts and arrows. Would be a very bright stone likely as it has a shallow crown and and depth, so you would sacrifice some fire and scintillation for added brightness which is not a bad idea for an I color, especially as most lighting environments one would wear a diamond ring in tend to emphasize brightness.
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liquidzyklon wrote:
Jun 26th, 2017 7:36 pm
DiamondShopper, sorry about the initial long list. I've narrowed it down to the top three choices. Your input is appreciated.
All are great cut diamonds, which is to be expected as they are all higher end AGS ideal cuts.
The points you are making to different the three are really splitting hairs you would never see these in real life.

The inclusions on the clarity plots have little to nothing to do with how the diamond actually looks. It is important to note that the red markings are symbols for the inclusions and do not resemble the actual inclusions but rather are there to mark their position for graders
to verify the diamond. Clouds look particularly bad in the plots as is the case of the second diamond. While they appear very large they are actually just a small group of tiny crystals in one area. Usually wisps are shown to be much worse than they are as well. The plots also dont differentiate between the color of the inclusion, clear inclusions are much harder to see than dark black ones. So a small spec in the center could be not noticeable if clear or very noticeable if dark black. Lastly the plots dont distinguish the depth of the inclusion, ones towards the middle can be harder to see than those towards the surface. Moral of the story, I wouldnt choose a diamond by the clarity plot, some of the best deals I have ever found for my customers have been from diamonds with very messy plots that look great in person, as most stray away from them and cutters end up pricing them lower when they have sat around for a while. Not to say that all messy plots are bargains as many are not.

Same kind of thing for the hearts and arrows image, the small specs you see are actually one tiny crystal mirrored around the diamond many times in the image. Hearts and arrows are viewed from the bottom under a scope that is meant to show the patterning which it reflects around, I would not use it to evaluate clarity or any thing else other than the pattern.

All in all, these diamonds would be likely indistinguishable in terms of cut and clarity without magnification. The last one seems to have been around for a while JAn 2016 which wold be rare as those are very popular specs.

The last thing ill mentions is that you are paying for the certainty of the cut quality, with all these options being priced around $1000-1500usd more than non branded diamonds that in many cases will have unnoticeable or no differences in quality. Though I will say it is tough to find AGS diamonds especially in that size these days as GIA is much more popular and has labs all over the world while AGS is only in the US. But going with a non branded diamond I would say your budget would allow you go over 1ct for the same $$$
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(Bean) wrote:
Jun 26th, 2017 4:38 pm
I was just wondering which online sites in Canada are the best to deal with? I am looking for a ring...not Diamond but wondered if anyone had any suggestions...
I have looked at blue nile (which prices in canadian and ships here for free)
Has anyone dealt with Szul or Super Jeweler.

Also what is the experience as far as border and taxes/duties?
To keep the form as info only I prefer not to mention specific vendors especially as my opinions might be deemed biased as I work in this space. I would think that reviews and price comparisons would be a good jump off point.
There are no duties to import a diamond you would just pay the HST which would be collected by the carrier. I have heard of some in the past try to ship and pickup and bring the diamond back without declaring.
I have also heard stories of the CRA finding out about the purchase via credit card transactions and then getting ahold of the buyer about not paying the tax and fines for non declaring. Personally it is not something I would
recommend. Especially as the goods would get seized if not declared.

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interesting thread, great that you keep it alive
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Diamond is eye clean but it has an inclusion dead center and I worry this will effect the light of the diamond and the proportions are not ideal.

I have seen ratings like on enchanted diamonds that still ranks it high though 3.40 Carat G Color Round Diamond, SI1, GIA Certified

Here are some attached actual images along with ASET and IDEAL Scopes.

Any thoughts? Was also comparing it to the below stone:
Gia 2185210642
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/H-VS2- ... /D40225656

I ended up paying $39k for the 3.4/G/SI1 vs. this one at $44K at 3.37/H/VS2
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I just bought a ring off of Aaron and could not be happier with the price and quality he offered me (I have been a lurker but I felt compelled to make an account just to write this review). What I was asking him was wayyy below my budget and looks about 100x better compared to what the retail stores were asking for (super pushy people over there). I would never even consider going to a big retail store where the not only rip you off price-wise, but they also don't provide you with a high quality diamond. Aaron was extremely patient with answering my questions and finding the right ring for me. I felt that my ring was way beneath him but he made it for me anyways and my girlfriend loves it (wears it every single day). He was also super accommodating with getting my ring to me as quick as possible. I will be going to him from now on for all my future jewelry purchases.
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Hi TheDiamondshopper,



I have decided to focus on the signature cut, and go with a lower carat in the .60 range with a VS2 or higher. I have noticed that some VS2 diamonds have inclusions that can be seen on their 360 views. Do these inclusions such as feather, clounds and etc, affect the reflection and brillaince to a great degreee?

I am looking to get one final feedback, before purchasing one of these diamonds. Which of these are duds, studs, and priced reasonable.

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08833792
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08519656
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08202575
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08833791

One more time, a huge thank you!!!
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Hi TheDiamondShopper,

I recently saw a "I Am Canadian" diamond at a local jeweller. The certficiate states that is an IMP2, and the jeweller says that is the same as an I2. It's a .51 ct, H colour and excellent cut. It's a very nice diamond, but I've never heard of an IMP2 diamond. Is this infact an I2 stone?

Edit:. I checked the certificate number online and the cut is good, not excellent as the dealer indicated.
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Sent you a PM yesterday, TheDiamondShopper. Would appreciate your help when you have a chance!
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henrythomas5788 wrote:
Jul 10th, 2017 3:41 pm
Diamond is eye clean but it has an inclusion dead center and I worry this will effect the light of the diamond and the proportions are not ideal.

I have seen ratings like on enchanted diamonds that still ranks it high though 3.40 Carat G Color Round Diamond, SI1, GIA Certified

Here are some attached actual images along with ASET and IDEAL Scopes.

Any thoughts? Was also comparing it to the below stone:
Gia 2185210642
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/H-VS2- ... /D40225656

I ended up paying $39k for the 3.4/G/SI1 vs. this one at $44K at 3.37/H/VS2
It is very rare that an SI1 inclusion would affect light performance. If it did it wouldn't be eye clean. If you can see it it can't be blocking light and would show up on the ASET as green or white. If it were I1 or I2 you would be in the range where light performance is compromised, maybe even a poor SI2. A center inclusion is more just a compromise of personal preference as they are usually priced lower.

The diamond you linked to has a bit of light leakage in the table area as the pavilion is a tad steep for the crown not sure how they rounded at GIA as that would make a difference. By no means a ban cut I would say just over average.
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engslytherin wrote:
Jul 11th, 2017 3:55 pm
Hi TheDiamondshopper,



I have decided to focus on the signature cut, and go with a lower carat in the .60 range with a VS2 or higher. I have noticed that some VS2 diamonds have inclusions that can be seen on their 360 views. Do these inclusions such as feather, clounds and etc, affect the reflection and brillaince to a great degreee?

I am looking to get one final feedback, before purchasing one of these diamonds. Which of these are duds, studs, and priced reasonable.

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08833792
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08519656
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08202575
https://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD08833791

One more time, a huge thank you!!!
I would give the thread a read there is lots of valuable info that will aid in your making an informed decision.
-the videos are magnified so you will see the inclusions where as at .6ct and VS2 you will almost certainly not see them without magnification.
-they would not affect the brilliance of the diamond if they are eye clean.
-if you can narrow it down to one that you think is the one I would be happy to offer an opinion.
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ez_86 wrote:
Jul 9th, 2017 11:16 am
interesting thread, great that you keep it alive
After having a few people come in trying to upgrade a diamond they paid $15000+ for only to find out it was over graded by a non reputable lab and worth about 1/3 I figured there is a good need for consumer education in this area ;)
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japaul32 wrote:
Jul 12th, 2017 11:43 pm
Hi TheDiamondShopper,

I recently saw a "I Am Canadian" diamond at a local jeweller. The certficiate states that is an IMP2, and the jeweller says that is the same as an I2. It's a .51 ct, H colour and excellent cut. It's a very nice diamond, but I've never heard of an IMP2 diamond. Is this infact an I2 stone?

Edit:. I checked the certificate number online and the cut is good, not excellent as the dealer indicated.
I'll have to admit I've never heard of IMp2 for clarity, so I had to google it. It seems it is a grading term outside of the GIA scale, which is worrisome as IF-I3 is the industry standard so immediately I think it is tricky working to avoid liability of mishearing.

Keep in mind that grading labs are not all created equal, aside from GIA and AGS and HRD, I have found few with consistently accurate grading. If a purchase you are considering is .5ct and above and not graded by one of these labs Iwould get a second opinion on he grading from a reliable INDEPENDENT appraiser preferably a GG.

I2 is not a nice diamond there will be more inclusion than diamond at that grade. Which will drastically affect the look. Iwould go lower in color and or size to get something SI2 or SI1 or maybe a phenomenal I1 in a truly excellent or ideal cut. And pay particular attention to who graded the diamond, and don't accept the excuse that it is too expensive to get GIA or AGS grading as the costs are under $100 in most cases, the grading prices are available on the GIA website.

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