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Heads up about Star Wars Battlefront 2

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wow that pretty much nailed why Battlefield went from one of my favorite most played games ever to one I barely touch anymore
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I just saw this video very clearly showing the difference between no star cards and max star cards which apparently take thousands of hours to max or can be purchased immediately. This is hilarious and probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a $60 retail game. I feel bad for people who are buying the base game and planning to grind against these people buying maxed cards on day 1

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sirex wrote:
Nov 15th, 2017 11:14 pm
pay to win has always been around, so i dont know why people getting all butt hurt nowadays... you can Pay... or you can play. I chose to play, it's more fun knowing that with that next head shot you unlock gun XYZ. makes you adjust your play style to get that epic head shot.
No it hasn't. I've been playing MP games since LANs and farting around with IPX. Pay to win is a relatively new concept in the history of multiplayer and it sucks. Cosmetics are a proven bread winner for companies but corporations always want more money so they keep pushing the envelope until people push back. I don't know why you feel its more fun to "work" for your guns but I guess to each his own. Personally I "work" every day 9-5, gaming is my leisure activity. I already paid for the product even. I shouldn't have to "earn" things like a little hamster on a wheel. Progression systems are more fun when they're tied to optional content and achievements. The best argument I've seen for unlocks is that it slowly introduces weapon mechanics to players but I feel like tutorials and simple experience can accomplish the same thing. A true, fun gaming experience stands on its own without needing XP bars and unlocks to artificially keep your attention.

But sadly I seem to be in the minority these days. People seem to want these casino-style reward carrots that trigger a little dopamine hit in the brain. BING got a level. BING got a gun attachment. BINGBINGBING numbers screen spam BING. I don't like the direction this stuff is going, as EA just proved companies can't be trusted to do the right thing. They need to be dragged, kicking and screaming to it.
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Bryson wrote:
Nov 15th, 2017 4:56 pm
Dice is a good developer, let's hope they don't get shutdown due to the incompetence of EA like their previous studios like Bullfrog, Maxis, Mythic, Westwood and most recently Visceral Studios.
It saddened me to see Visceral go down. I loved their Dead Space games but of course, EA got in the way and turned a horror survival game into a sci-fi shooter with universal ammo and micro-transactions. **** EA.
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Redmask wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 9:12 am
But sadly I seem to be in the minority these days. People seem to want these casino-style reward carrots that trigger a little dopamine hit in the brain. BING got a level. BING got a gun attachment. BINGBINGBING numbers screen spam BING. I don't like the direction this stuff is going, as EA just proved companies can't be trusted to do the right thing. They need to be dragged, kicking and screaming to it.
I agree with everything you said here. Sadly I saw a post on my FB feed yesterday that was kind of a wake up call and reminder that we really are the minority. Most people buying these games now actually enjoy that carrot on a stick progression and defend it or they straight up don't understand or care about its impact. Despite the outrage on Reddit and guys like us not buying into it this is still going to be a top seller with millions of people who want to shoot at stuff in a Star Wars game plain and simple. Most people buying this have no regard for lootbox controversy if they're even aware of it at all.
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ReeGee wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 11:12 am
I agree with everything you said here. Sadly I saw a post on my FB feed yesterday that was kind of a wake up call and reminder that we really are the minority. Most people buying these games now actually enjoy that carrot on a stick progression and defend it or they straight up don't understand or care about its impact. Despite the outrage on Reddit and guys like us not buying into it this is still going to be a top seller with millions of people who want to shoot at stuff in a Star Wars game plain and simple. Most people buying this have no regard for lootbox controversy if they're even aware of it at all.
May sound dumb to most of you but I bought it greatly discounted for the single player game. I do not have a lot of time for multiplayer and for something like this, nadda.
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mrtvgame wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 11:19 am
May sound dumb to most of you but I bought it greatly discounted for the single player game. I do not have a lot of time for multiplayer and for something like this, nadda.
Not really, if you felt like you needed to play it right away then do what you have to. I'm interested in the single player as well but I'm fine with waiting 5-6 months for it to show up on Origin Access which I'm already subscribed to through to next summer.
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ReeGee wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 11:12 am
I agree with everything you said here. Sadly I saw a post on my FB feed yesterday that was kind of a wake up call and reminder that we really are the minority. Most people buying these games now actually enjoy that carrot on a stick progression and defend it or they straight up don't understand or care about its impact. Despite the outrage on Reddit and guys like us not buying into it this is still going to be a top seller with millions of people who want to shoot at stuff in a Star Wars game plain and simple. Most people buying this have no regard for lootbox controversy if they're even aware of it at all.
It's weird, I'm not even sure people actually enjoy it. I just think its there for them to consume and hold their attention so they convince themselves its fun. PUBG didn't have loot crates or progression for a long time and people loved that. I played umpteen hours of Counter-Strike, Quake, etc without any of that stuff. Companies started with this stuff initially to discourage used game sales in the release period, I think that says a lot about the intent right there.

Great MP experiences stand on their own. Progression systems might complement it through cosmetics or achievements but that's different IMO. The real shame of it is that this game is apparently a blast but is being weighed down by this corporate nonsense, most of it frankly unnecessary and greedy. Star Wars cosmetics would sell gangbusters but they had to go one further and try to optimize that shareholder dividend another 1% with stuff that affects balance.
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If I pre-ordered the regular edition from Walmart, should I already have my code or is it only the ultimate edition that got it a few days early?
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Redmask wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 11:26 am
It's weird, I'm not even sure people actually enjoy it. I just think its there for them to consume and hold their attention so they convince themselves its fun. PUBG didn't have loot crates or progression for a long time and people loved that. I played umpteen hours of Counter-Strike, Quake, etc without any of that stuff. Companies started with this stuff initially to discourage used game sales in the release period, I think that says a lot about the intent right there.

Great MP experiences stand on their own. Progression systems might complement it through cosmetics or achievements but that's different IMO. The real shame of it is that this game is apparently a blast but is being weighed down by this corporate nonsense, most of it frankly unnecessary and greedy. Star Wars cosmetics would sell gangbusters but they had to go one further and try to optimize that shareholder dividend another 1% with stuff that affects balance.
I think most people buying this don't have an opinion on it one way or another. People like Star Wars and they like shooting at stuff, everything else is secondary to that. A lot of people will never even notice or understand that they're at a manufactured competitive disadvantage against people with more money to spend and that it wasn't always like that. If you try explaining this issue and how it compares to past multiplayer games to an average dude in their 30s-40s who buy a couple games a year, they will probably look at you like you're speaking another language. No amount of controversy on the internet will ever get through to people like that
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Seriously, insert Sally Fields meme ...

Anyone who thinks this is the most serious problem affecting our children today don't have kids.
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raspeed wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 12:18 pm
Seriously, insert Sally Fields meme ...

Anyone who thinks this is the most serious problem affecting our children today don't have kids.
No idea what you're talking about, neither ReeGee nor I said either of those things. Brysons Disney/kids comment about the BBC thing with gambling? I think its fine for the government to look at the practice of loot crates and make a determination. If it's deemed gambling then it should be regulated like any other form of it.
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Regulated? With so many problems on this planet, find a better cause to champion.

So if I buy a pack of Topps NHL Cards and I don't get a Crosby signature in each pack ... what do I have to do? Keep buying packs until I get one?

Topps is destroying our children, half a million downvotes required, cancel all trading cards until they are regulated and only sold to 21 years + ...

Sounds pretty absurd when you apply it to trading cards, .... and blah blah, there is no difference. Except I can't get Topps trading cards for free just by playing x amount of hours.
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raspeed wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 1:19 pm
.... and blah blah, there is no difference
star cards aren't tangible physical collectibles with resale value. You're bad at analogies
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ReeGee wrote:
Nov 16th, 2017 1:41 pm
star cards aren't tangible physical collectibles with resale value. You're bad at analogies
It's actually a perfect analogy. It's gambling targeted at kids, which is a huge crux with the media attention. You're bad at accepting that people can have a different opinion than yours.

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