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Only a few hours left, but Hubitat is US$99.95 for this weekend.

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Shipping is US$25 though.
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I'm moving to a new place next month, and been thinking in automate a few things.

I have some basic stuff already on my current place:

Amazon Echo Plus
Phillips Hue Bulb (1 - came with echo plus)
Logitech Harmony Hub

I can control light (that bulb) and my TV/HT/Games stuff OK - but I want to add some extra stuff:
- Thermostat (Nest or Ecobee?)
- Some light switches (most of existent light fixtures aren't compatible with that bulb)
- Possible a door bell (no locks for now I think)

Do I need some better hub or my Echo plus can handle this?
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neonic wrote:
Jun 18th, 2018 4:32 pm
I'm moving to a new place next month, and been thinking in automate a few things.

I have some basic stuff already on my current place:

Amazon Echo Plus
Phillips Hue Bulb (1 - came with echo plus)
Logitech Harmony Hub

I can control light (that bulb) and my TV/HT/Games stuff OK - but I want to add some extra stuff:
- Thermostat (Nest or Ecobee?)
- Some light switches (most of existent light fixtures aren't compatible with that bulb)
- Possible a door bell (no locks for now I think)

Do I need some better hub or my Echo plus can handle this?
Only if you want to load custom device handlers.
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neonic wrote:
Jun 18th, 2018 4:32 pm
I'm moving to a new place next month, and been thinking in automate a few things.

I have some basic stuff already on my current place:

Amazon Echo Plus
Phillips Hue Bulb (1 - came with echo plus)
Logitech Harmony Hub

I can control light (that bulb) and my TV/HT/Games stuff OK - but I want to add some extra stuff:
- Thermostat (Nest or Ecobee?)
- Some light switches (most of existent light fixtures aren't compatible with that bulb)
- Possible a door bell (no locks for now I think)

Do I need some better hub or my Echo plus can handle this?
-The Nest or Ecobee will not require any special hubs. I have the Ecobee and it works out of the box with the Echo. I believe Nest is identical.
-For switches, I decided to get TP Link switches and they work great without any special hubs. You can also get the mini plugs for cheap.
-I have the Ring Doorbell Pro and it works great with the Echo Spot, you can see the camera on the screen but the limitation right now is you won't be able to talk. Hopefully they will resolve this soon.
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GunnerX wrote:
Jun 19th, 2018 9:50 am
-The Nest or Ecobee will not require any special hubs. I have the Ecobee and it works out of the box with the Echo. I believe Nest is identical.
-For switches, I decided to get TP Link switches and they work great without any special hubs. You can also get the mini plugs for cheap.
-I have the Ring Doorbell Pro and it works great with the Echo Spot, you can see the camera on the screen but the limitation right now is you won't be able to talk. Hopefully they will resolve this soon.
cool -

did you install that ecobee by yourself? or did you hire someone? Or it came with installation?
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neonic wrote:
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cool -

did you install that ecobee by yourself? or did you hire someone? Or it came with installation?

Installed it myself. Was straight forward. I just followed the instructions.
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GunnerX wrote:
Jun 19th, 2018 6:50 pm
Installed it myself. Was straight forward. I just followed the instructions.
awww man, they just announced that GreenON rebates are gone :(
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awww man, they just announced that GreenON rebates are gone :(
I think you have until end of August. Not too clear on the details though.
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would this be a good NUC to start my home automation project

Intel NUC i5 BOXD54250WYKH
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blexann wrote:
Jun 22nd, 2018 11:41 am
would this be a good NUC to start my home automation project

Intel NUC i5 BOXD54250WYKH
It is a little over kill unless you have complex scenes and a lot of devices.

What are you planning on using for automation? Home Assistant? OpenHAB?
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Jun 23rd, 2018 12:34 pm
It is a little over kill unless you have complex scenes and a lot of devices.

What are you planning on using for automation? Home Assistant? OpenHAB?
Home Assistant, what's OpenHAB? I'm just starting out. I guess I'd like to start out with Home Assistant controlling lights, Ecobee....etc
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Jun 23rd, 2018 2:55 pm
Home Assistant, what's OpenHAB? I'm just starting out. I guess I'd like to start out with Home Assistant controlling lights, Ecobee....etc
I never understood the need to have access to your thermostat. You can schedule four programs per day as it is. Being able to see the temperature in your house is no real benefit.

Anyway, I suggest you stick with Z Wave and avoid WiFi as much as possible. That means, you ditch the Ecobee. If you really need to control your temperature remotely, get a Z Wave thermostat. The one I recommend is the Radio Thermostat CT80

https://www.amazon.ca/Radio-Thermostat- ... TWMDG2RV21

Since you're starting. Just get a Raspberry Pi 3 (not the newer B+), an Aeotec Z Wave Gen 5 stick, a 32 Gig MicroSD.

Installing hass.io is the easiest way to get started. It should take you less than 30 minutes to have it up and running. Then just run around the house pairing all your Z Wave devices to the Aeotec USB stick

One recommendation, don't cheap out on the switches. I like the GE Z Wave Plus switches. The 14291 are the regular switches and the 14294 are the dimmer switches. They're not cheap and this could get really addictive. They're not as expensive as the Homeseer switches, they're a good value. If you want a cheap switch, the Zooz switch is cheaper and you can feel the quality difference. Zooz does have an advantage, you don't need a special switch for 3 or 4 way use.

https://www.amazon.ca/Raspberry-4328498 ... dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.ca/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec- ... +usb+stick

https://www.amazon.ca/GE-Lighting-Requi ... dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.ca/New-Model-Wireles ... dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.ca/Z-Wave-Switch-ZEN ... dpSrc=srch
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Gee wrote:
Jun 23rd, 2018 5:03 pm
I never understood the need to have access to your thermostat. You can schedule four programs per day as it is. Being able to see the temperature in your house is no real benefit.

If you keep a regular schedule thats great, if you don't having access to your thermostat is certainly a nice thing to have.
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Gee wrote:
Jun 23rd, 2018 5:03 pm
I never understood the need to have access to your thermostat. You can schedule four programs per day as it is. Being able to see the temperature in your house is no real benefit.

Anyway, I suggest you stick with Z Wave and avoid WiFi as much as possible. That means, you ditch the Ecobee. If you really need to control your temperature remotely, get a Z Wave thermostat. The one I recommend is the Radio Thermostat CT80

https://www.amazon.ca/Radio-Thermostat- ... TWMDG2RV21

Since you're starting. Just get a Raspberry Pi 3 (not the newer B+), an Aeotec Z Wave Gen 5 stick, a 32 Gig MicroSD.

Installing hass.io is the easiest way to get started. It should take you less than 30 minutes to have it up and running. Then just run around the house pairing all your Z Wave devices to the Aeotec USB stick

One recommendation, don't cheap out on the switches. I like the GE Z Wave Plus switches. The 14291 are the regular switches and the 14294 are the dimmer switches. They're not cheap and this could get really addictive. They're not as expensive as the Homeseer switches, they're a good value. If you want a cheap switch, the Zooz switch is cheaper and you can feel the quality difference. Zooz does have an advantage, you don't need a special switch for 3 or 4 way use.

https://www.amazon.ca/Raspberry-4328498 ... dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.ca/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec- ... +usb+stick

https://www.amazon.ca/GE-Lighting-Requi ... dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.ca/New-Model-Wireles ... dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.ca/Z-Wave-Switch-ZEN ... dpSrc=srch
I just listed Ecobee as an example - I'm totally happy with it and don't need any further automation at this point. Thanks very much for your thorough response I think I'm going to start with that set-up
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blexann wrote:
Jun 23rd, 2018 9:34 pm
I just listed Ecobee as an example - I'm totally happy with it and don't need any further automation at this point. Thanks very much for your thorough response I think I'm going to start with that set-up
I forget which protocol, but the Ecobee can be integrated with Smartthings and works very well as part of the HA setup.

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