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Feb 22, 2010
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Thanks for all your help guys. It appears Sears has their units on sale this week with anywhere from $250 - $500 off the list price according to their flyer so I'm going to check that out... I'll post the outcome of that visit...

Thanks again!

Update: Bought the Kenmore UltraSoft 800 Water Softener last night at Sears for $999 regular price $1579...
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Oct 30, 2007
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Thanks for the informative discussion.

After months of deliberation, my wife and i finally bit the bullet and bought the Kinetico for several main reasons.

We checked out several models from Kenmore Elite, Culligan Gold, and EcoWater and the Kinetico was the best option. It was a little bit more than the others and almost $800 more than the Kenmore, but what really sold us was the amount of positive reviews on the net on the 2030S model. As well of course as it does not use any electricity and is most efficient. Over time we hope the additional cost will pay for it self.

We're looking forward to the installation next week!
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SMC23 wrote:
Mar 26th, 2010 11:59 am
Thanks for the informative discussion.

After months of deliberation, my wife and i finally bit the bullet and bought the Kinetico for several main reasons.

We checked out several models from Kenmore Elite, Culligan Gold, and EcoWater and the Kinetico was the best option. It was a little bit more than the others and almost $800 more than the Kenmore, but what really sold us was the amount of positive reviews on the net on the 2030S model. As well of course as it does not use any electricity and is most efficient. Over time we hope the additional cost will pay for it self.

We're looking forward to the installation next week!
What savings do you get from installing a water softener?

edit: oh, do you mean savings from other softeners?
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crimsondr wrote:
Mar 26th, 2010 12:20 pm
What savings do you get from installing a water softener?

edit: oh, do you mean savings from other softeners?
yes, i meant savings in comparison to the others.

As for the entire cost of the unit, we may see this come in much later (>15yrs) but who knows.
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SMC23 wrote:
Mar 26th, 2010 11:59 am
Thanks for the informative discussion.

After months of deliberation, my wife and i finally bit the bullet and bought the Kinetico for several main reasons.

We checked out several models from Kenmore Elite, Culligan Gold, and EcoWater and the Kinetico was the best option. It was a little bit more than the others and almost $800 more than the Kenmore, but what really sold us was the amount of positive reviews on the net on the 2030S model. As well of course as it does not use any electricity and is most efficient. Over time we hope the additional cost will pay for it self.

We're looking forward to the installation next week!
Hi SMC23, let us know how this goes!!! i'm curious about getting the exact same system however it was quoted at $1700 from costco!!
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Nov 6, 2009
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hi, i am fairly new to water softener system recently i purchased a Kinetico powerline PS 0840. I believe it has a metered fleck 5600 valve, looks like the technician had set the dial for 3 people and water hardness is at 8 grains/gallon.

The PS 0840 has a capacity of 21000 grains, and checking my powerstream utility bill my daily water consumption is 0.34 cubic meter = 90 gallon / day.

Grains use per day = 90 gallon x 8 (hardness in grains/gal) = 720

Time interval for regeneration = system capacity / grain use per day
=21000 / 720 = 29 days (is this correct???)

if it will take 29 days to regenerate, will there be a problem?
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Dec 26, 2007
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I've been researching for quite some time on Water Softeners and reading through all the forums.
Man!!! I can see why so many people just go with the Sears brand. Shopping for a water softener is worse then the stereotypical used
car salesmen. I've had several sales reps come to my house and every single one of them is telling me different things and trying to
sell me on the most expensive option.

I've been told I need a Kinetico 4040 and K5 drinking system to another who says I need a whole house purification system, UV filtering, R/O. I mean, I live just north of Toronto - the water is NOT THAT BAD.

Can anyone recommend a company that services Newmarket (or York Region area) that will be honest - knowledgable (yeah, it's pretty bad when I call out a rep on something from my research), and decent in price. I'm not interested in a $6000 Kinetico system - but I would like something a little better then the Sears (Kenmore) brands.

Many thanks to anyone who responds.
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canadiancynosure wrote:
Oct 6th, 2010 5:29 pm
I've been researching for quite some time on Water Softeners and reading through all the forums.
Man!!! I can see why so many people just go with the Sears brand. Shopping for a water softener is worse then the stereotypical used
car salesmen. I've had several sales reps come to my house and every single one of them is telling me different things and trying to
sell me on the most expensive option.

I've been told I need a Kinetico 4040 and K5 drinking system to another who says I need a whole house purification system, UV filtering, R/O. I mean, I live just north of Toronto - the water is NOT THAT BAD.

Can anyone recommend a company that services Newmarket (or York Region area) that will be honest - knowledgable (yeah, it's pretty bad when I call out a rep on something from my research), and decent in price. I'm not interested in a $6000 Kinetico system - but I would like something a little better then the Sears (Kenmore) brands.

Many thanks to anyone who responds.

if you live within a 100km of waterloo then I recommend you call Ontario Soft water. Myself and most of my neighbors have used them this year and all of us are very satisfied. Prices are fair and install is great.
I have a water depot guy in my house and he quoted me 2500 bucks for a softener. Ontario Soft Water installed one, automatic regeneration, extra faucet, three hard water lines for 1050 with tax!

http://www.ontariosoftwater.ca/
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Dec 26, 2007
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Thanks Peelhic,

Found a company in Newmarket - Rosmosis
Getting a full house purification system with a Clack valve - though it's not metered as the rep said with the carbon beds, it extends the life to backwash on a schedule
4 stage R/O system and combo water/ro tap (didn't want new holes in my counter)
Also installing and bypass for $2000
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Oct 17, 2010
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york region
canadiancynosure wrote:
Oct 7th, 2010 2:46 pm
Thanks Peelhic,

Found a company in Newmarket - Rosmosis
Getting a full house purification system with a Clack valve - though it's not metered as the rep said with the carbon beds, it extends the life to backwash on a schedule
4 stage R/O system and combo water/ro tap (didn't want new holes in my counter)
Also installing and bypass for $2000

Hi canadiancynosure,

How's your new purification system? We have to change our water softerner and are thinking to get the full purification system. Are you satisfied with this company? Thanks.
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Dec 14, 2003
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Looking at a "Purifiner II" (single tank, regen by use, Erie valve) with "Purotwist 4000" 3gal R/O w stainless tap for $1980 installed, out the door.

I'm debating the "need" for the R/O in the kitchen. Only saves about $300 though without.

Are any of the ones you folks quoting NSF/ANSI certified?

With the non-cert ones you can get a pretty low price point.
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Sep 11, 2007
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Found a company selling the chlorasoft unit for $1,150 including install, lifetime warranty. Whicever company you go with, make sure they show you their insurance certificate.

http://www.purisoftwater.com
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Apr 30, 2008
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I am looking at CWS150ME from AquaPure. Has anyone used these at all?
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nsx817 wrote:
May 19th, 2010 1:00 pm
Time interval for regeneration = system capacity / grain use per day
=21000 / 720 = 29 days (is this correct???)

if it will take 29 days to regenerate, will there be a problem?

Does it have a computer? Usually it will regenerate after X gallons OR Y days. But generally speaking you should target regeneration for 7 - 14 days.
SMC23 wrote:
Mar 26th, 2010 11:59 am
As well of course as it does not use any electricity and is most efficient. Over time we hope the additional cost will pay for it self.

We're looking forward to the installation next week!

Most if not all water softeners do not use electricity except for the onboard computer / timer.

Anyhow, Water Softeners are extremely simple devices, basically all work the same (more or less) and are quite reliable. The only difference is cost.
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coolspot wrote:
Feb 9th, 2011 9:38 pm
Does it have a computer? Usually it will regenerate after X gallons OR Y days. But generally speaking you should target regeneration for 7 - 14 days.



Most if not all water softeners do not use electricity except for the onboard computer / timer.

Anyhow, Water Softeners are extremely simple devices, basically all work the same (more or less) and are quite reliable. The only difference is cost.

why would you regenerate at such a short interval? why not set it to, when it needs to?
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