How do kids get to this?

[Flame_lily]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070404/...zKyKq1uqJH2ocA

From a moral perspective how does this happen. It's bad enough these a pre-teen doing it in class?! Could the parents have seen this coming?

[Topher]

That's sad. Really, really, sad.

[alysomji]

And people wonder why parents eventually resort to spanking.

[TenzoR]

And people wonder why parents eventually resort to spanking.

I doubt spanking will stop these kids from doing something like this. It has a lot more to do with parents themselves not being able to guide and properly teach their children.

[gemstone]

I doubt spanking will stop these kids from doing something like this. It has a lot more to do with parents themselves not being able to guide and properly teach their children.

Since there were 5 kids involved and 10 others watching that did nothing, I highly doubt the parents alone were responsible for this. These kids have the whole world telling them sex is nothing special and obviously have become totally desensitized to it. The guard was probably posted because of their parents teaching them it was wrong. Outside influences (videos, movies, etc.) are the reason for this incident. I feel sorry for parents today if they have to be concerned about their kids having sex at 10-11 years old. Who the heck would think to tell there kids not to do it in public?

This couldn't have been a normal 5th grade either. 5th graders should be 10 or turn 11 since the beginning of the year. And why was a high school teacher "watching" them? Was this school K - 12?

[Spidey]

raisings kids now a day is scary business. So much more things than even ten years ago

[D-Roc]

And people wonder why parents eventually resort to spanking.

Physical violence would not have corrected this behaviour. Clearly there is a parenting issue with the parents of all 5 kids.

[Diamondog]

And people wonder why parents eventually resort to spanking.

Ha ha another GREAT reason to spank your kid......you are too much....you don't think this has anything to do with poor parenting? I guess it's not your kid though because yours won't go to school.

[alysomji]

Ha ha another GREAT reason to spank your kid......you are too much....you don't think this has anything to do with poor parenting? I guess it's not your kid though because yours won't go to school.

I'm not saying these specific kids should be spanked or that spanking would help them. What I'm saying is many kids are a far different animal than the innocent, ignorant creatures their parents might think they are.

Tell me, is it the parents who taught these kids how to have sex? Does a parent control everything their child sees?

Some of us have lives where we work 40+ hours a week and don't live in the middle of forests where you can walk outside and see nothing bad happening.

God forbid a kid has any, and I mean ANY responsibility for their actions. Yeesh.

[gemstone]

Clearly there is a parenting issue with the parents of all 5 kids.

There were 15 kids involved in this. If you are going to include the kid who was just the lookout then you need to include the ones who sat there and watched and did nothing. The school only found out because one of the kids told an older student who told a teacher. I guess the older student was the only one with good parents? Clearly poor parenting is not the reason for these kids behaviour. It isn't that simple.

[Diamondog]

There were 15 kids involved in this. If you are going to include the kid who was just the lookout then you need to include the ones who sat there and watched and did nothing. The school only found out because one of the kids told an older student who told a teacher. I guess the older student was the only one with good parents? Clearly poor parenting is not the reason for these kids behaviour. It isn't that simple.

Poor parenting isn't the only reason there are other factors but it definately is a BIG part of it....give me a break kids having basically an orgy at this age and lookouts and onlookers isn't a parenting issue...WOW....to say it was 15 kids so it couldn't possibly be a parenting issue is ludicrous...no way to tell how many kids go to this school but it's quite possibly several hundred or more and 15 kids who probably hang around with each other wouldn't really be that many....and kids that have these types of problems most definately seek each other out to hang around with....maybe it's that attitude that has gotten the world to the state it's in!

[volan]

Holy crap!!!

I am totally in shock!!!

My 3 year old has no problem running around naked, but at a certain age people don't want to see them naked anymore. What could cause these kids to strip down and have sex in front of other kids?

I think there's something more going on here. These kids have either been having sex in private and decided they wanted to "show off" or they are in extreme need of attention.

[gemstone]

Poor parenting isn't the only reason there are other factors but it definately is a part of it....give me a break kids having basically an orgy at this age and lookouts and onlookers isn't a parenting issue...WOW....maybe it's that attitude that has gotten the world to the state it's in!

I never said it wasn't a parenting issue. I said it couldn't be just because of the parents since there were 15 kids involved. A whole class has "bad parents"? Like I said, it is not that simple.

[Diamondog]

I never said it wasn't a parenting issue. I said it couldn't be just because of the parents since there were 15 kids involved. A whole class has "bad parents"? Like I said, it is not that simple.

15 kids out of possibly hundreds or more that go to the school is not that many at all...kids with these types of problems seek each other out to hang around with and it is definately understandable that 15 kids with poor parenting at home end up identifying and hanging around with each other!

[Flame_lily]

I think as a society we do need to take a step back and see what's going on. On a 0-10 scale this is off the charts. What about the other behaviours that range in the 7, 8, 9 scale that are not as attention grabbing but equally unacceptable? Is it today's parents.. (including being friends which one's kids), more permissive, accomodating, busy, busy busy or the society that says parents can't do this and that to their kids therefore some parents may feel disenfranchised (no, I'm not going into the spanking debate). I know parents who live in fear of the Children's Aid Society. (I'm all for child protection). Just like the Lobaws zealot on other thread here are we missing the equilibrium point?
Kinda scary. Could be my kid. Easy to dismiss it as bad parenting but who really knows? I think it's false security to blame it all on parents.