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How Easy Is It To Let Someone Go

How easy is it to let someone go that has poor work ethic, lack of communication, and terrible attitude? Is it easier if they are on contract? It's been two months that it's been brought up to manager and there wasn't been any changes.
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Rufftunez wrote:
Aug 6th, 2018 11:28 am
How easy is it to let someone go that has poor work ethic, lack of communication, and terrible attitude? Is it easier if they are on contract? It's been two months that it's been brought up to manager and there wasn't been any changes.
If the manager don't take action then just moves on, its the company that lose money not you.
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Rufftunez wrote:
Aug 6th, 2018 11:28 am
How easy is it to let someone go that has poor work ethic, lack of communication, and terrible attitude? Is it easier if they are on contract? It's been two months that it's been brought up to manager and there wasn't been any changes.
If they're not unionized it's pretty easy to fire someone.

Have you tried talking to this employee? Maybe something is going on in their personal life that is having a negative effect on them (divorce, death in the family etc.).

Give it some time. Maybe they'll surprise you and improve.
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If you’re talking from the personal perspective then it sucks, unless this person was a nightmare to work with and was bringing the whole team down. From a business perspective it’s much easier to let a contractor go (the flexibility to do so is why they hire them on in the first place).
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cgtlky wrote:
Aug 6th, 2018 4:58 pm
If the manager don't take action then just moves on, its the company that lose money not you.
frostyrabbit wrote:
Aug 6th, 2018 5:23 pm
If they're not unionized it's pretty easy to fire someone.

Have you tried talking to this employee? Maybe something is going on in their personal life that is having a negative effect on them (divorce, death in the family etc.).

Give it some time. Maybe they'll surprise you and improve.
Agreed with both of these
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It's not so simple, unless you want to face litigation.
All due diligence must be performed and every reasonable opportunity for the employee to improve their performance must be provided.
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Very easy fired 3 times in a row.
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It's very easy to fire someone "without cause" in Canada, assuming no unions are involved. It's much more difficult to fire "with cause". Those are very different situations.

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vkizzle wrote:
Aug 7th, 2018 11:54 am
It's not so simple, unless you want to face litigation.
All due diligence must be performed and every reasonable opportunity for the employee to improve their performance must be provided.
That's absolutely correct.

At the end of the day, Canadian labour laws by themselves are fairly strict and backed by a lot of case law on wrongful termination. Because of this, most companies use 'layoffs due to reduction in work' with hefty severance packages as a replacement for termination with cause in order to get around proper due diligence and providing employees reasonable opportunities to address performance issues. These hefty severance packages are usually only given on the condition that the impacted employee signs away their legal ability to sue to the company for wrongful dismissal.
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vkizzle wrote:
Aug 7th, 2018 11:54 am
It's not so simple, unless you want to face litigation.
All due diligence must be performed and every reasonable opportunity for the employee to improve their performance must be provided.
Depends on the workplace and other stipulations. But actually it's very easy to fire "with cause" on site where I work at. People get fired on a weekly basis


bluenose2 wrote:
Aug 7th, 2018 12:50 pm
Very easy fired 3 times in a row.
Congrats. Whens number 4 and 5 happening? Can you describe in detail what you have done to get fired for all those people who want to be fired in the future?
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craftsman wrote:
Aug 7th, 2018 1:34 pm
That's absolutely correct.

At the end of the day, Canadian labour laws by themselves are fairly strict and backed by a lot of case law on wrongful termination. Because of this, most companies use 'layoffs due to reduction in work' with hefty severance packages as a replacement for termination with cause in order to get around proper due diligence and providing employees reasonable opportunities to address performance issues. These hefty severance packages are usually only given on the condition that the impacted employee signs away their legal ability to sue to the company for wrongful dismissal.
Must be a white collar thing
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cgtlky wrote: If the manager don't take action then just moves on, its the company that lose money not you.
It’s hard to move on when the impact directly impacts my work as well. Its a very small team (just 3) and them not doing their work properly, I have to pick up the slack.
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tmkf_patryk wrote:
Aug 7th, 2018 2:26 pm
Depends on the workplace and other stipulations. But actually it's very easy to fire "with cause" on site where I work at. People get fired on a weekly basis

Congrats. Whens number 4 and 5 happening? Can you describe in detail what you have done to get fired for all those people who want to be fired in the future?
In my organization, the last termination took us 3 months "building a case" before we got the green light from all parties.
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frostyrabbit wrote: If they're not unionized it's pretty easy to fire someone.

Have you tried talking to this employee? Maybe something is going on in their personal life that is having a negative effect on them (divorce, death in the family etc.).

Give it some time. Maybe they'll surprise you and improve.
Talking is useless, tried that. They don’t care about the job anymore. They think they can get a better job because of their qualifications (which is true of they even had decent work ethic). When communication is a problem as a result, they don’t ask if I would need help etc..

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