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How Young is Too to take the Bus?

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Piro21 wrote:
Sep 5th, 2017 6:39 pm
Apparently there is an answer to this: http://cwrp.ca/sites/default/files/publ ... n/144e.pdf

Ontario considers it 'child neglect' if you let your kid stay unsupervised anywhere below they're old enough to drive. As ridiculous as that is, the Children's Aid Society can legally kidnap them and imprison you for letting them go anywhere alone (including staying at home) before age 16.
The caveat of that rule is it's mainly applied if the child under 16 actually causes damage, is incapable of being alone (i.e. tends to be reckless, throws a major party, etc.) than it's the parents fault. It's a real 'cover your bum' policy by the Province. If your child is mature enough, you've taken reasonable pre-caution for safety, doesn't injure someone/themselves, etc., it's allowable without 'consequence' by the Ministry to be alone under 16. There is no minimum number.
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Sep 6th, 2017 9:11 am
Here is the latest position of the Provincial Government of B.C. (Ministry of Children and Family Development), one child must be at least 10 years of age:

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/doe ... themselves
It's funny that their position is that a judge will 'likely' concur with that age of 10 even though there is no statute age. But all the rulings (including the 8 year old one) is based on a variety of factors and varies case by case, and is largely unknown how a specific case that is different will pan out. The main thing they have going against that father is they have deeper pockets to cause a headache, while the Father has to raise money to fight it. There is no certainty that the court would rule in favour of the Ministry. But it's their threat and the representation that they have the courts in their back pocket that is enforcing that number.
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That article states you need to be over 16 to be alone in ontario. Ok so grade 9 and 10 students can't take transit alone?
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Age 7. No. Age 11. Yeah, I see no problem with a kid with a level head and proper training. I've had this discussion with my wife about our own 11 year old son. We agreed that he was capable of doing such tasks and making these daily tactical decisions on his own. My personal concern is that a child can be OK with navigating the challenges of independence in average city life. But what about that 1 in a million chance of a predator directly targeting him? Can he handle that? I have no answers and it does cause me concern.
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Crook said his heart sank when the Children’s Ministry called saying a tip had been received about the kids taking transit alone and that an investigation would follow.
Crook shares custody with the kids’ mother, who lives closer to the school, so they were taking the bus half the time while staying with him. Now they can’t even walk to school from her home, he said.
Maybe the mother was the one who called in to get the dad in trouble. Face With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of Joy.
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DiceMan wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 11:24 pm
Age 7. No. Age 11. Yeah, I see no problem with a kid with a level head and proper training. I've had this discussion with my wife about our own 11 year old son. We agreed that he was capable of doing such tasks and making these daily tactical decisions on his own. My personal concern is that a child can be OK with navigating the challenges of independence in average city life. But what about that 1 in a million chance of a predator directly targeting him? Can he handle that? I have no answers and it does cause me concern.
I walked to school by myself when I was 7... So did many of my fellow grade 3 friends. I'm from a pretty dense part of Toronto just east of the center. So everyone only really lives at max a few blocks away from school.
We took precautions... I remember we had a buddy system. We'd always walk home together within a group of friends. We did so to protect each other from the older kids. Once in a while they'd tried to pick fights or try to mess with us. But we stuck together. System works. Sometimes we hung out at the park after school and played some sort of game like tag or baseball.

My parents taught me... They walked with me everyday. IT was fun bonding time with either my mom/dad/bro's. My mom and dad taught me what to do with street signs and cars. Also what to do if there is a creeper. Like running the opposite way the car is driving... And never talk to people you don't know. And if you get in a jam go for the balls and rip em off. Brothers taught me how to fight. And taught me the importance of making friends and having a 'buddy' system.

Its true... There is that 1 in a million chance of something bad happening. But where do we draw the line? In my hood... I saw these kids probably the same age as me when I started walking to school... They were riding their 2 wheel bikes up and down the alley like a champ! They saw my car coming and one of the kids waves down the other kids to pull over... They wait for me to drive pass safely. Nice kids, pretty smart actually... And this is in leslieville. It does get pretty busy around here.

But isn't it true that crime is actually on a downward trend? Things are actually safer than they were before...
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I walked both myself and my younger brothers to school from age 9, and started taking the city bus alone at 11. I don't see any issue with it. Every morning I see middle school kids taking the subway to to school, so their parents must not have any issues with it either.
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kevindurant1 wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 11:29 pm
Maybe the mother was the one who called in to get the dad in trouble. Face With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of JoyFace With Tears Of Joy.
why is that cryingly funny?
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Pussies. We had school bus service until grade 4. Grade 5 and above I had to take the city bus. From. Grade 7 I had to take Bus, Metro and then Walk. 40 minutes of BMW.

Now parents triple park their SUV s and block traffic for 5 blocks twice a day to do drive by drop offs.
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I barely know any parents who won't let their kids ride the bus or walk to school alone but we live in the city and all of this stuff is pretty normal! My kids have been taking transit since about 10 on their own.

That said, I think this is what happens when you have parents who drive their kids to school every day because "its easier" and "more convenient". You never need to teach independence if you never give them some in the first place :P
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transit by themselves ? sure but I would trust 10~12 old kid more to get to school then the 15~16 (those usually end up behind the school Winking Face)
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GangStarr wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 11:22 pm
That article states you need to be over 16 to be alone in ontario. Ok so grade 9 and 10 students can't take transit alone?
Its weired. So kids under 16 can have sex and kids but can not be alone?
from the article
Mariana Brussoni, a population and public health professor at the University of British Columbia, said the case highlights how social expectations for parents have changed in recent decades.

“You wouldn’t in a million years dream of, 20 years ago, this sort of story happening,” she said. “Nobody raised an eyebrow when kids were walking to school or taking the bus or getting themselves around.”

Overprotective parenting has become normal and is harmful to children, who need to take risks and explore being on their own in order to build self-confidence, she said.
“There are some things money can’t buy, and for everything else there’s MasterCard. Well, get out your checkbooks ladies and gentlemen, because it seems like the entire liberal cabinet can be bought. TRUDEAU: I CAN’T BE BOUGHT...LMAO. Because its 2017
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Over 7-8 by themselves after being trained properly on the routing is ok

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