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I have not bought a camera in 10 years

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Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll keep an eye out for Canon EOS M100 deals.

Any compact cameras (i.e. not mirrorless) worth considering?
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BBZero wrote:
Nov 21st, 2018 12:30 pm
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll keep an eye out for Canon EOS M100 deals.

Any compact cameras (i.e. not mirrorless) worth considering?
All compact cameras are mirrorless. The 'mirror' refers to the mirror box that flaps up and down in traditional DSLRs.
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It's worth pointing out that m100 doesn't have a flash hotshoe. Any interchangable lens camera without a flash hotshoe is stuck in newbie land. This rules it out for most serious photography, or quality video. I would suggest stretching your budget to around $600 and getting the Sony A6000 and 16-50 kit lens. Very good camera that you can grow with. Flash hotshoe, viewfinder, super fast FPS, great image sensor.
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BBZero wrote:
Nov 21st, 2018 12:30 pm
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll keep an eye out for Canon EOS M100 deals.

Any compact cameras (i.e. not mirrorless) worth considering?
You can check the premium compact category of cameras. It's fixed lens camera with sensor at 1 inch or bigger. I'll list a few models so you can check and I'll let you do the research for the price since I don't know them all on the used market, so some might be above your budget:

-Sony RX100, there's MK I to VI (You can probable get the MK 1 or 2 with your budget)
-Panasonic LX10 or Panasonic LX100 (2 totally different cameras)
-Canon GX7
-Fujifilm X100 (the X100S is still very good)

There's also a lot more compact with 1 inch sensor but with slower lens and at a cheaper price.
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AlphaStar wrote:
Nov 20th, 2018 6:05 pm
Update:

Best Buy seems to be selling out of the M100's. Online, it says stock is now limited. Best Buy also raised the price. The original terms were $429.99 until November 22. Maybe because they are selling out faster than expected, Best Buy raised the price to $449.99 until November 21. They are still cheaper than Henry's, but Wal-Mart has them for $428.
You can still get it at Memory Express for $430.

I have a Canon M1 with the 22mm pancake lens. Very happy with it. If you get the M100 with it, it will be even better.
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Nov 21st, 2018 12:53 am
For such a super tight budget... Alot of decent recommendations already put out there...

Kind of surprised no one just saying Stick to your phone... I know this sub is all camera heads hehe... but in my opinion if your budget is so small at 500 and you have such a size constraint ... Just spend that budget on getting one of the better phones pixel 3 ... iphone 8 and up or s9 and up like any flagship phone I think will do you just fine and its the MOST portable. I Do think a sony rx100 mark5 + 4 batteries is the package for you .. but thats like $1250 ish ... -- Like at $500 bucks you dont seem interested in growing a lenses collection... and getting stuff like a5100 is really old and kit lens is super limiting ... Sure its better IQ in Lowlight but barely... atleast cell phone has great 4k video and probably IS

Maybe buy a portable 50 dollar LED light to help shine light to your subjects in low LIGHT LOL--- Idk just putting in another idea in your head
All point and shoot cameras and cellphones suffers from a very small sensor size. In board daylight they will do ok. But in the evening, the noise just goes crazy if you increase the ISO past 400.

Even in the day, these cameras cannot capture as rich of the colours as a mirrorless or DSLR.
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Nov 22nd, 2018 3:43 am
All point and shoot cameras and cellphones suffers from a very small sensor size. In board daylight they will do ok. But in the evening, the noise just goes crazy if you increase the ISO past 400.

Even in the day, these cameras cannot capture as rich of the colours as a mirrorless or DSLR.
I would definitely get a mirrorless or DSLR for the last point you mentioned. Canon is better for colour rendition than Sony. I don't have the pancake lens, but the 32mm 1.4 and it is excellent. The bokeh is beautiful. I am contemplating picking up a second Canon M100 and getting pancake lens on that.
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Kurtz7834 wrote:
Nov 21st, 2018 10:15 am
The 32mm f1.4 is $600... for the lens alone. The guy stated that his budget was $500..
lol, photography will do that to you. I had previously only allowed myself as small a budget as possible down from $6,000. I said I would buy a camera only and keep with a light box, basically shell out $429 plus extra for a memory card (and no more). I ended up getting an M100 and the $600 lens. I am contemplating getting the $300 pancake lens and an additional M100 or an M50 or M5.
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lol, photography will do that to you. I had previously only allowed myself as small a budget as possible down from $6,000. I said I would buy a camera only and keep with a light box, basically shell out $429 plus extra for a memory card (and no more). I ended up getting an M100 and the $600 lens. I am contemplating getting the $300 pancake lens and an additional M100 or an M50 or M5.
Why would you get another same camera? I hate changing lenses when I'm outdoor but I hate even more carrying twice the same camera. And if you plan on using your initial budget minus the $1000 on your current equipment, get a Leica Q instead. It's way better than those Canon APS-C mirrorless cameras. Leica's F1.7 Summilux will produce a better bokeh and contrast than your current gears. Or get an used Fujifilm GFX 50S, I have seen it at $5000 and Mitakon will release soon the 65mm F1.4 for it, which is like equivalent to a F0.8 (just a guess, didn't do the math exactly) on your Canon M100.
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never heard of people carrying two bodies unless event photog
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I went to a brick and mortar camera store to get a feel of all the cameras.

Sony RX100 is so expensive!

I was intrigued by the Olympus Tough TG-5. It seems like an indestructible camera that I could whip out and shoot anywhere, anytime. Price-to-performance (outside of underwater application) ratio is not very good, according to the salesman.

I ended up with a Canon EOS M100 (got it price-matched at $428). Now I'm intrigued by this whole pancake lens thing Face Screaming In Fear. Would something like that be the best solution to travel photography?
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BBZero wrote:
Nov 25th, 2018 5:15 pm
I went to a brick and mortar camera store to get a feel of all the cameras.

Sony RX100 is so expensive!

I was intrigued by the Olympus Tough TG-5. It seems like an indestructible camera that I could whip out and shoot anywhere, anytime. Price-to-performance (outside of underwater application) ratio is not very good, according to the salesman.

I ended up with a Canon EOS M100 (got it price-matched at $428). Now I'm intrigued by this whole pancake lens thing Face Screaming In Fear. Would something like that be the best solution to travel photography?
Excellent choice. The pancake lens is really nice because it has a large aperture f/2.0 then apply the 1.6 factor, but still good. It makes the camera really small compared with the kit lens. It is great to travel with. Some people call the M100 + 22mm set up the "pocketable" set up, but I still think it is too bulky for a standard pocket. You may be able to get away with a jacket pocket.

The downside is that the 22mm has little to no bokeh. I went with the 32mm f1.4 to get the bokeh. Trust me, once you get bokeh, you will find it hard to ever go back. I found that most people can get away with the 32mm lens. If compactness is really important, I would go with the 22mm, but I liked the bokeh too much and went with the more expensive 32mm. An expensive option, but a good one is to go with both the 22mm and the 32mm, that way you can have a pocketable camera for family events, travel, what have you, and you can use 32mm for everything else, portraits, macro shots. One of the features of the M100 over the G7x or G9x is the ability to use interchangeable lenses.
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Thanks for the insight. I think I'll play with the original lens kit a bit more before going for further upgrades Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes

I'm assuming any EF-M lens would fit the M100 without additional accessories? How about other Canon lenses?
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BBZero wrote:
Nov 26th, 2018 9:08 am
Thanks for the insight. I think I'll play with the original lens kit a bit more before going for further upgrades Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes

I'm assuming any EF-M lens would fit the M100 without additional accessories? How about other Canon lenses?
The M-series Canon's are meant to be more compact overall compared to the standard EOS variants due to not having a mirror or pentaprism/pentamirror. The M lens (EF-M mount) are designed to be compact as well, so for the M100, M10, M, M6, M50, etc... Canon designed EF-M lens for it that would have a dark grey colour. Any EF-M lens would work with the M100, EF-M 22mm, EF-M 32mm, EF-M 10-22mm, etc...

If you wanted to use the EF 50mm f1.8 lens or any EF-S (Canon Rebel) lens, you would need one adapter, the EF/EF-S to EF-M adapter which is $200. If you go that route, you could get away with a Canon EF-M 22mm and adapter and EF 50mm f1.8 lens which works out to be cheaper than the EF-M 32mm lens alone. The only ones would be the EF-R or R lens which is only a handful that only work with the EOS R. If you wanted an EOS R lens, you could find an equivalent in the standard EF series.

A lot of people will tout the Canon M100 as an entry-level camera, but I consider it a prosumer and even low-budget professional camera. Get a nice lens, and good lighting and you can take stunning photos.
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Hoping to piggyback on this thread, as I am currently looking for a camera or video recorder for low light atmosphere.
Now that my kid is in school, there are plenty of concerts and my wife is nagging me to capture each event and my phone is obviously not good enough.

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