If there were an election today, who would you vote for? Part 2

[d_jedi]

great....you just justified the actions of 'terrorist' states like n.korea and iran...congrats

No, I really don't think I did.

[asim99]

So why did the US choose to invade Iraq instead of North Korea?

remember bush saying saddam 'tried to kill my father'? it was personal for that silly man
only that a hundred thousand innocent people got killed in the process

what a shame, people who defend bush's lies that caused innocent people to die, are concerned about liberal's lies about sponsorship...

it just smacks of i don't care as long as it is 'not in my backyard'....shame indeed

i'd take a financial scandal anyday over deaths of innocents

[d_jedi]

what a shame, people who defend bush's lies that caused innocent people to die, are concerned about liberal's lies about sponsorship...

Where is your proof that Bush knew beforehand that Iraq did not have WMDs? I can show you plenty of proof that the Liberals lied, and wasted millions of dollars of taxpayer money in the sponsorship scandal.

[gman]

Where is your proof that Bush knew beforehand that Iraq did not have WMDs? I can show you plenty of proof that the Liberals lied, and wasted millions of dollars of taxpayer money in the sponsorship scandal.

If there is no investigation, there will be no proof, right? Since Bush did not set up something to investigate if he lied, there is no proof, right?

[d_jedi]

If there is no investigation, there will be no proof, right? Since Bush did not set up something to investigate if he lied, there is no proof, right?

I think there was an investigation into the intelligence failures, was there not?

[asim99]

Where is your proof that Bush knew beforehand that Iraq did not have WMDs? I can show you plenty of proof that the Liberals lied, and wasted millions of dollars of taxpayer money in the sponsorship scandal.

most of the world told him to wait...but he lied to the world with false excuses...if he did not know, then there is no proof that he did know either...absence of knowledge does not excuse his actions that killed innocent iraqis...there is no moral equivalence between death of a single innocent person and a million dollar fraud, no matter whichever way you look at it

you sure have wrong priorities

[sumfunny]

most of the world told him to wait...but he lied to the world with false excuses...if he did not know, then there is no proof that he did know either...absence of knowledge does not excuse his actions that killed innocent iraqis...there is no moral equivalence between death of a single innocent person and a million dollar fraud, no matter whichever way you look at it

you sure have wrong priorities

Well if you want to stretch it those millions could have gone to health cars which could have saved a life

either way are the iraq's better or worse, I would say better considering how many went out to vote.

[gman]

I think there was an investigation into the intelligence failures, was there not?

It had no investigation about if Bush purposely and knowingly mislead the public. He just said the report was wrong and investigate why the report was wrong. He was not enquired under oath or anything like that (as far as I know).

[aquariaguy]

Well if you want to stretch it those millions could have gone to health cars which could have saved a life

either way are the iraq's better or worse, I would say better considering how many went out to vote.

The US could have used its $167 BILLION to help other countries. Even its own for crying out loud!!

http://costofwar.com/

You can see a rolling ticker.

[asim99]

Well if you want to stretch it those millions could have gone to health cars which could have saved a life

either way are the iraq's better or worse, I would say better considering how many went out to vote.

hah...what a joke...ask the people of baghdad who don't have water to drink, gas for cars, power for homes and streets...how better they are...

i wish the health care was funded better, but it is not the same as dropping an MOAB (mother of all bombs) over a crowded market full of innocent civilians that americans did...and on a similar note i don't think conservative would have done better than liberals on healthcare funding

if turn out is a major indicator of people's delight, then the american population sure is very unhappy, due to their low turn outs

[d_jedi]

most of the world told him to wait...but he lied to the world with false excuses...if he did not know, then there is no proof that he did know either...absence of knowledge does not excuse his actions that killed innocent iraqis...there is no moral equivalence between death of a single innocent person and a million dollar fraud, no matter whichever way you look at it

you sure have wrong priorities

Who do you trust? World leaders - who may very well have their own agenda.. and have reasons for opposing the invasion completely unrelated to whether Iraq had WMDs or not - or your own Intelligence services - who are supposed to do whatever is necessary to present you a clear picture of the situation as it really is?

Note that most of the opposition wasn't over whether Iraq had WMD - our own Prime Minister believed they did (as far as I can remember) - it was whether an invasion was warranted, given that they had WMD (Chretien dithered to the point that would make Paul Martin proud ).

[d_jedi]

dropping an MOAB (mother of all bombs) over a crowded market full of innocent civilians that americans did...and on a similar note i don't think conservative would have done better than liberals on healthcare funding

That's news to me. When did they do that?

[devious9191]

hah...what a joke...ask the people of baghdad who don't have water to drink, gas for cars, power for homes and streets...how better they are...

i wish the health care was funded better, but it is not the same as dropping an MOAB (mother of all bombs) over a crowded market full of innocent civilians that americans did...and on a similar note i don't think conservative would have done better than liberals on healthcare funding

if turn out is a major indicator of people's delight, then the american population sure is very unhappy, due to their low turn outs

The point, Asim, is that the people of Iraq will be better, if they are not already better off. The freedoms that people like you take for granted in Canada, would be unheard of in Iraq 5 years ago. When was the last time you heard of a political protest in Iraq prior to the invasion. What recourse would an Iraqi woman have if she was raped by one of Hussein's murderers (soldiers)? These are things that we take for granted in the West but are a reality of every day life over there. If you have a different political view than the dictatorship and actually voice it outside of your home, you're literally a dead man, and who is your family going to complain to?

In 5 years, once a stable government and stable police force has taken over that country and put down the insurgency, that country will be in better shape than it has been for 40 years.

Just so you know, since you don't tend to base any of your posts on actual fact. There was 60.0% voter turnout for the 2004 US election, and a 60.5% voter turnout for the 2004 Canadian election.

http://elections.gmu.edu/voter_turnout.htm

http://www.nodice.ca/election2004/voterturnout.html

[devious9191]

That's news to me. When did they do that?

I'm also curious. I can't find a single source that says that one of these was used outside of testing.

Edit: Like everything else Asim says, I'd take it with a grain of salt until he provides more than personal opinion.