If you have a choice: Do not go to UofT

[cuiyinghost]

I am a graduated, not graduate, student from U of T and will do my Master in Windsor, Thanks to my poor undergrad GPA.

do that make the point.

[Barton03]

I am a graduated, not graduate, student from U of T and will do my Master in Windsor, Thanks to my poor undergrad GPA.

Is that makes the point.

I think your English just proved what I meant by, "poor social networking skills"

[cuiyinghost]

I think your English just proved what I meant by, "poor social networking skills"

yeah, should get educated from UW

[kawai]

I'm entering 3rd year elec and student life isn't so bad. The reason students have no student/social life is that because they chose it. You need to put effort to meet new people and have fun.

It's tough for commuters and that's something I have yet to experience (I've been living in residence for 2 years and moving back again in 3rd year) but there are ways to make it work.

-go to frosh week, meet new friends that do live in residence, that way - you can ask if you need a place to crash - I let a couple of people crash at my place because they were commuters

-join your department club - the ECE club is interesting but I don't know enough

-join a sports team, varsity or recreational - I joined the varsity rowing team and currently paddling for the Iron Dragons - so much fun really I love it

U of T is so big and it can be daunting, but use it to your advantage. There's so many things out there, there's gotta be something for someone.

Hey fellow ECE minion, going into 3rd year too...

Who has the time to join clubs when they run a constant death march program in ECE?

Most of us spend so much time studying and hoping desperatly to pass and bellcurves that half of us would probably drop dead if you make us run lol.

[whohoo]

Well, I want to say the study in Engineering is harder than in arts/science, because I was transferred from arts&science to engineering. You can have a bit more social life in arts&science than in engineering.

If you want to get high marks, don't go to UT. One of my classmate came from Ryerson(EE). She was top 5 in Ryerson(that's why she can transfer to UT). But it is very hard to get a B+ in UT ECE. But the studies are much more enjoyable in Ryerson.

[whohoo]

going into ECE 3rd year too... glad to find two more ECE ppl.

Maybe we know each other

How are you guys doing in course registration?

Hey fellow ECE minion, going into 3rd year too...

Who has the time to join clubs when they run a constant death march program in ECE?

Most of us spend so much time studying and hoping desperatly to pass and bellcurves that half of us would probably drop dead if you make us run lol.

[mritche]

How can you a join a sports team or extra clubs if any time you spend doing something non-related to studying means someone else is getting more studying time? Remember, in UofT courses there is a max of 20% of B or higher. Less time you study, the more others study.

Your claim that "there is a max of 20% of B or higher." is not true. In my first and second year ECE classes, 20-25% of students have been on the honour roll (read: 80% average or higher). That is also not atypical. I can also tell you that in my past two years (10 classes) at U of T I've had 4 or 5 whose averages were in the B- or B range. Now, people aren't failing left right and centre, so wouldn't that lead you to believe that more than 20% of the class is getting Bs?

You don't get it. When it takes you 1.5 hours to commute ONE WAY, you'd be exhausted by the end of the day and just wanna go home and get some rest after classes are over.

I've commuted for the past two years and can tell you you're right, it can be painful to commute. I've learned to sleep on the subway and my life has become much better . That doesn't render extracurriculars impossible though. I know a few people who live at home (45-75 minutes each way from school) who still get involved.

Still, I like UofT coz getting As actually mean something. I wouldn't wanna go to a school where good students aren't well distinguished from the less competent ones.

I agree here, but I feel as though the standards have been dropping lately. They're admitting a lot of students from right out of high school without averages that are too low (from what I've heard). They're also (IMO) not failing enough people out of first year. The problem with that is people don't realize something isn't for them until they're already halfway through, then they want to stick it out "just because." Then everybody loses.

Top students get B+, rarely do I know of someone scoring consistent As (actually, I don't know anyone who has more than 4 As..)

You're wrong, at least in engineering. Good students get B+s. Top students get A+s.

going into ECE 3rd year too... glad to find two more ECE ppl.

Maybe we know each other

How are you guys doing in course registration?

*waves* What's your name? I might not know you, but I'm sure you've at least seen my name pop up more than a few times (think forums).

Course registration is a small annoyance, but a few friends wrote applications to graphically lay everything out which makes it a lot less painful. Remember to be up at 6:00 am Monday for ROSI registration!

[kawai]

going into ECE 3rd year too... glad to find two more ECE ppl.

Maybe we know each other

How are you guys doing in course registration?

Anyone know what's going on with the HSS/CS registration, there are no spots left for pretty much all of the EAS/History courses. Anyone knows if they will increase spaces during the second phase of enrollment?

[Barton03]

Your claim that "there is a max of 20% of B or higher." is not true. In my first and second year ECE classes, 20-25% of students have been on the honour roll (read: 80% average or higher). That is also not atypical. I can also tell you that in my past two years (10 classes) at U of T I've had 4 or 5 whose averages were in the B- or B range. Now, people aren't failing left right and centre, so wouldn't that lead you to believe that more than 20% of the class is getting Bs?

I never said people are failing, but if you were a recruiter who didn't graduate from UofT and you have two potential applicants (on paper, before interview) and one student from Queen's has a mark of "A-" (which is very common in Queen's) and the UofT student has a "B-" which is also common at UofT -- guess who will get a phone call and who won't??

That's why I said, UofT only allows ~20% of students to get a mark higher than B. Haven't you noticed how the prof reacts when he announces that the class avg is greater than 70? The test after that *will* be harder to force the class avg down ... just wondering, but when did school mean competing against each other? I thought at university we were to foster a network of friends?

At U of T, it's not how smart you are, but how smart you are relative to your peers.

The above is assumed the student is in either engineering, commerce, comp sci, psych, etc.. (ie: not atypical bird courses)

[Tilter]

A thread with 3rd year ECEers...exciting...so what CS/HSS courses are you picking?

I heard U of T Scarbs had a course called Water, if only I could find something like that to slack off in :P

[mritche]

A thread with 3rd year ECEers...exciting...so what CS/HSS courses are you picking?

I heard U of T Scarbs had a course called Water, if only I could find something like that to slack off in :P

I really wanted to take TRN200Y, Modes of Reasoning. I've heard nothing but rave reviews about the professor and the course itself, but it's full. I'm looking into religion or languages courses for this year now.

[Headhunter]

I am in my final year now, and I agree with him. There is no school spirit or anything, people just do not care. It is like highschool all over again. Also, they are REALLY hard to get a hold of, and do many unprofessional things. For example, ignoring emails and voice messages left, neglecting to respond to things they deem unimportant.

College is even worse, in those regards. At least Seneca@York was way cheaper, really clean and had great tech facilities...

[commie]

I never said people are failing, but if you were a recruiter who didn't graduate from UofT and you have two potential applicants (on paper, before interview) and one student from Queen's has a mark of "A-" (which is very common in Queen's) and the UofT student has a "B-" which is also common at UofT -- guess who will get a phone call and who won't??

That's why I said, UofT only allows ~20% of students to get a mark higher than B. Haven't you noticed how the prof reacts when he announces that the class avg is greater than 70? The test after that *will* be harder to force the class avg down ... just wondering, but when did school mean competing against each other? I thought at university we were to foster a network of friends?

At U of T, it's not how smart you are, but how smart you are relative to your peers.

The above is assumed the student is in either engineering, commerce, comp sci, psych, etc.. (ie: not atypical bird courses)

What a bunch of crock....
A student from Queen's with a A- average will get hired over the B- UofT student not because of their marks, but because the Queen's student will be able to present him/her self better. Also, one of the reasons that A- are fairly common at Queen's Commerce, is that the students do really deserve that mark.....They are the creme of the creme students that get admitted to the program. The peer group at queen's is higher, thats why there are more A- students.....

Going to Queen's or Western is like going to a normal North Amercian University.....Going to UofT is like going to a Hong Kong campus of HKU....
Thanks but no thanks.....And I am Asian myself....

In a program like Commerce, communication and social skills are essential.....Most of those HK UofT commies can't even talk properly in English, let alone trying to hold an intelligent conservation during the recruiting sessions or interviews. This IS the main reason why Queen's Commerce students will get hired before the UofT commerce students...Not because of the A- over the B- marks......Even a C student at Queen's will have a better odds than a B- UofT commerce student.

[MizTEcK]

What a bunch of crock....
A student from Queen's with a A- average will get hired over the B- UofT student not because of their marks, but because the Queen's student will be able to present him/her self better. Also, one of the reasons that A- are fairly common at Queen's Commerce, is that the students do really deserve that mark.....They are the creme of the creme students that get admitted to the program. The peer group at queen's is higher, thats why there are more A- students.....

Going to Queen's or Western is like going to a normal North Amercian University.....Going to UofT is like going to a Hong Kong campus of HKU....
Thanks but no thanks.....And I am Asian myself....

In a program like Commerce, communication and social skills are essential.....Most of those HK UofT commies can't even talk properly in English, let alone trying to hold an intelligent conservation during the recruiting sessions or interviews. This IS the main reason why Queen's Commerce students will get hired before the UofT commerce students...Not because of the A- over the B- marks......Even a C student at Queen's will have a better odds than a B- UofT commerce student.

im gonna ignore your comments cuz ur extremely biased towards your university, not every university rolls out top notch executive materials

[bananaman]

I always thought the commerce program at Queens is more highly regarded that U of T's. I recognize two names here, kawai and mritche.

Kawai - I think I sat across from you in the ECE231 labs and a few comps down in the ECE243 lab.
Whohoo - Dunno who you are.