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Archanfel wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 6:51 am
If our standard is as low as somebody not being a terrorist, there's something wrong with it. The question should be whether they would benefit our society, i.e. go through the normal immigration process.

I wonder what would happen if a refugee got rejected (does that ever happen?). Do they get deported to the US or do they get deported to their home country (if such country exists)?
It will be a flood gate once it determined that we can't morally sent these economics migrants back to their country of origins.
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Mar 1st, 2017 9:49 am
It will be a flood gate once it determined that we can't morally sent these economics migrants back to their country of origins.
I doubt it unless it's Mexicans. The US never allowed in many refugees from ME or Africa in the first place. It's hard to swim across the pond.
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Mar 1st, 2017 10:30 am
I doubt it unless it's Mexicans. The US never allowed in many refugees from ME or Africa in the first place. It's hard to swim across the pond.
Well, there are quite a list of countries in South America that I don't think Canada will send someone back. Trump only banned 7 countries from entering the US. What stop someone flying in from Turkey, Egypt etc. on a tourist visa, shredded their documents and crossed the border as a Syrian refugee?
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Mar 1st, 2017 10:41 am
Well, there are quite a list of countries in South America that I don't think Canada will send someone back. Trump only banned 7 countries from entering the US. What stop someone flying in from Turkey, Egypt etc. on a tourist visa, shredded their documents and crossed the border as a Syrian refugee?
I don't think it's that easy to get tourist visa to the US from any developing countries. There will be some, but not a lot. So I am far more worried about our own effort to bring in refugees in the tens of thousands.
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Archanfel wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 12:00 pm
I don't think it's that easy to get tourist visa to the US from any developing countries. There will be some, but not a lot. So I am far more worried about our own effort to bring in refugees in the tens of thousands.
Worried of 25,000 refugees?

"Liberal government said the number of refugees it plans to take in this year remains unchanged at 25,000 refugees."

from Practice what you tweet and welcome more refugees, Canadians urge Trudeau
http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/02 ... ge-trudeau
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uhh, the left wants to let more in?? Which part of the left wants that? Im part of the left and don't want to open the flood gates. Deport a big chunk, publicize it in the media, and let people world wide know that we aren't push overs. We may be sympathetic to their plight, but we also have a legal immigration system to uphold.
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Mar 2nd, 2017 2:20 am
uhh, the left wants to let more in?? Which part of the left wants that? Im part of the left and don't want to open the flood gates. Deport a big chunk, publicize it in the media, and let people world wide know that we aren't push overs. We may be sympathetic to their plight, but we also have a legal immigration system to uphold.
Well, whenever the right says anything bad about illegal immigration, the left tends to generalize it as if they're referring to all immigration (both legal and illegal). As a result, it's no wonder that the left is perceived as viewing all forms of immigration similarly.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
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uhh, the left wants to let more in?? Which part of the left wants that? Im part of the left and don't want to open the flood gates. Deport a big chunk, publicize it in the media, and let people world wide know that we aren't push overs. We may be sympathetic to their plight, but we also have a legal immigration system to uphold.
Seriously. They need to broadcast it worldwide that we're catching illegal border crossers and sending them back where they came from. This isn't a 'left vs right' issue, it's a simple criminal law issue.
Could HAVE, not could OF. What does 'could of' even mean?
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Will this work?

Canada, U.S. join forces on tackling border asylum-seekers
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OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canadian and U.S. officials are working on a plan to tackle asylum seekers crossing into Canada illegally, with American officials keen to discover how they entered the United States in the first place, said a source familiar with the matter.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly is set to visit Canada this month for talks on the border and the influx of people, said the source, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Hundreds of people, mainly from Africa but also the Middle East, have walked across the border, seeking asylum. They are fleeing President Donald Trump's crackdown on illegal immigrants, migrants and refugees agencies say.

It is not common to have so many asylum seekers based in the U.S. looking for refuge in Canada over such a short period.

Scott Bardsley, a spokesman for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, said the majority of people crossing in recent weeks held valid passports and U.S. visas.

The influx poses a political risk for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who faces pressure from the left, which wants him to let more in, and from the right, which fears an increased security risk. He must also ensure the issue does not complicate his relations with Trump.

"We are talking with our counterparts in the United States to ensure that we're addressing this situation properly," Trudeau told reporters in Calgary, Alberta.

Security experts have said the asylum-seekers could pose a threat if the flow picks up once the weather improves and authorities do not take additional steps.

Canadian and U.S. officials speak daily about the border crossers and law enforcement agencies from both nations met in Montreal last month to plot strategies, the source said.

The U.S. side asked Canada to provide details of the asylum seekers, in particular, how they had entered the United States and what their status was there.

The Montreal summit grouped representatives from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), the Canada Border Services Agency, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency.

RCMP spokeswoman Annie Delisle confirmed the meeting took place, and said the two sides agreed on an "action plan which outlines a collaborative approach to dealing with the influx".

An official in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said the crossings were very limited and did not represent a major security concern.

"Frankly, it is far more embarrassing to this country than it is threatening," said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

The official, and a second person directly involved in border affairs, said U.S. authorities had not mounted a major effort to beef up border security, in part because they lack manpower and equipment.

A senior Canadian security source classified the risk as medium- to long-term, since it was likely that those crossing the border really were seeking asylum.

Vast stretches of the 5,500-mile (8,900-km) frontier are unguarded and the more images spread of people walking across, the more vulnerable Canada could become, said the source.

"If we keep this up for a while, and it becomes known that the border really is porous, then people will use it as an opportunity to put (operatives) in," said the source.

Exact numbers are hard to calculate, since not all authorities release details. In January and February, 143 people walked illegally over the border into Manitoba, local police said.

As of Feb. 13, some 3,800 people had made an asylum claim in 2017, up from the same period last year, said Bardsley. That number, though, includes all people seeking asylum, and the government would not break down the figures.

(Additional reporting by Ethan Lou in Calgary and John Walcott in Washington; Editing by Chris Reese and Sandra Maler)

Also the signed in 2002, Safe Third Country Agreement should also be scrapped. This would allow aslyum seeking refugees to stay in the U.S. while their refugee claim is processed.
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Most Canadians say refugee claimants crossing border not a threat: Nanos survey
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A majority of Canadians believe that refugee claimants illegally crossing the border into Canada from the U.S. are not a threat to the country, according to a new Nanos survey.
The survey found that 62 per cent of Canadians don’t believe the border-crossing refugees are a threat. Five per cent said the refugees pose a terrorist threat, while another five per cent saw them as a threat to Canadian jobs. Eighteen per cent said the refugees are both a terrorist threat and a threat to jobs.
When asked specifically whether refugees crossing the border from the U.S. represent a terrorist threat to Canada, 52 per cent said no. Thirty-four per cent said the refugees represent a minor terrorist threat, and nine per cent said they represent a major terrorist threat. Twenty per cent were unsure.
Still, the Nanos survey found that just over 70 per cent of Canadians support or somewhat support setting up special refugee crossing points to minimize potential terrorist threats.
For the most part, Canadians don’t see the refugee claimants as “any sort of threat to Canadian security or Canadian jobs,” pollster Nik Nanos told CTV News Thursday.
He said there are a number of reasons for that, including the “default position” for many Canadians to be welcoming of immigrants and refugees.
Nanos also said there seems to be “a significant amount of sympathy” for people who are now fleeing the U.S. because they are worried about U.S. President Donald Trump’s immigration and deportation policies.
Since the start of this year, 1,698 people have presented themselves at Canada-U.S. border crossings and asked for refugee protection, compared with 728 people who did so during the same time period in 2016.
So far this year, more than 430 people have crossed the border illegally into Canada in such places as Emerson, Man. That’s about the same number of illegal entrants per month as last year, according to immigration and border officials.
More than half, or 52 per cent, of Canadians support the federal government continuing to be open to refugees even if the U.S. puts political or economic pressure on Ottawa to limit or exclude people from certain countries, the Nanos survey found.
Twenty per cent “somewhat” support a continued openness of Canadian borders to refugees, while 27 per cent are either opposed or somewhat opposed to the idea.
With files from The Canadian Press
Methodology:
Nanos conducted an RDD dual frame (land- and cell-lines) hybrid telephone and online random survey of 1,000 Canadians 18 or older between Feb. 25 and 28, as part of an omnibus survey. Participants were randomly recruited by telephone using live agents and administered a survey online.
The margin of error is ±3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
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In other news 115% of respondents said this is a bogus survey
When asked specifically whether refugees crossing the border from the U.S. represent a terrorist threat to Canada, 52 per cent said no. Thirty-four per cent said the refugees represent a minor terrorist threat, and nine per cent said they represent a major terrorist threat. Twenty per cent were unsure
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In other news 115% of respondents said this is a bogus survey
fyi, the margin of error is ±3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20 applies to each question

52 per cent said no to represent a terrorist threat to Canada
34 per cent said the refugees represent a minor terrorist threat
9 per cent said they represent a major terrorist threat
21 per cent were unsure
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Of course they're not a threat. If they were a threat they would have done some type of terrorist attack in the US not Canada. Why did they waste their time with this? Was there talk about a terrorism threat from these migrants?

The fear is that they're going to get hurt walking across frozen fields or too many of them could be a significant strain on the system that would delay our ability to help people actually living in danger.
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Making fake news out of nothing at all...
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