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Keep them in Manitoba. It needs a resurgence in population, economy, etc.
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Archanfel wrote:
Mar 4th, 2017 8:54 pm
I don't think we can correct for that. Why do we accept people who can't even speak English? We don't do that for immigrants, why do it for refugees?

One of the arguments people make is that accepting refugee benefit our country. I just don't see how. What does refugees offer that legal, skilled immigrants don't? Unlike most conservatives on this board, I have no ideological reasons against refugees, as long as they bring benefits to Canada. I just don't see such benefits. I am no expert though, so I am wondering whether there's some studies will convince me that refugees are just as productive as skilled immigrants.
It doesn't seem like you quite understand the concept of refugee.

Hint: it's quite different from "immigrant".
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at1212b wrote:
Mar 4th, 2017 9:20 pm
Keep them in Manitoba. It needs a resurgence in population, economy, etc.
Winnipeg has a 'Hire a refugee' website Smiling Face With Open Mouth



New website aims to connect employers with newcomers who are looking for work, CBC's Nelly Gonzalez reports
To read more: http://cbc.ca/1.4004287
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tk1000 wrote:
Mar 4th, 2017 9:23 pm
Winnipeg has a 'Hire a refugee' website Smiling Face With Open Mouth



New website aims to connect employers with newcomers who are looking for work, CBC's Nelly Gonzalez reports
To read more: http://cbc.ca/1.4004287
Good. Seriously. Everybody wins there. Refugees become productive and contribute to the progressiveness of society and regions tax revenues go up. In the longer-run, existing land owners benefit as once the refugees establish themselves, as well as there kids, they'll be buying up property. That would be a good long-term investment play.
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konfusion666 wrote:
Mar 4th, 2017 9:20 pm
It doesn't seem like you quite understand the concept of refugee.

Hint: it's quite different from "immigrant".
Many are asylum seekers until they can technically be classified as a refugee. Let's face it, you get a nice handout from the Canadian government the first year, then social assistance, medicare and free tuition after. The countries these people are coming from don't offer that. If everyone had a way to get to Canada, we'd most likely have millions of asylum seekers just like how they invaded Europe. Thankfully we have an ocean to help save us.
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Mar 4th, 2017 10:19 pm
Many are asylum seekers until they can technically be classified as a refugee. Let's face it, you get a nice handout from the Canadian government the first year, then social assistance, medicare and free tuition after. The countries these people are coming from don't offer that. If everyone had a way to get to Canada, we'd most likely have millions of asylum seekers just like how they invaded Europe. Thankfully we have an ocean to help save us.
Since these asylum seekers are in Canada when they claim refugee status, they are not eligible for the Resettlement Assistance Program (RAP).

from http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre ... 104&top=11

Do in-Canada refugee claimants get resettlement assistance?
No. In-Canada refugee claimants are not permanent residents. They have not been selected for resettlement and so they are not eligible for resettlement assistance.
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The majority of refugees who crossed illegally carried identification and a valid U.S. visa.

from http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/201 ... ment-.html
In the first two months of this year, some 1,700 irregular border crossings were reported, officials told the media during a media briefing in Ottawa on Thursday morning. It wasn’t immediately clear how that number compared to previous years over the same period.
The majority of the migrants carried identification and a valid U.S. visa, with some having abandoned outstanding asylum claims or having been refused south of the border, said the Canadian officials from the RCMP, Canada Border Services Agency and Immigration Department.

Two government officials confirmed to The Canadian Press that many of the people coming into Quebec hold American visas issued at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

from http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cabinet- ... -1.3311715
Officials are also studying links between distinct groups of border-crossers that might belie the common notion they're all being pushed into Canada by the volatile U.S. political climate.

Two government officials confirmed to The Canadian Press that many of the people coming into Quebec hold American visas issued at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Interviews revealed the visas were obtained to use the U.S. as a transit point get to Canada and claim asylum -- plans set in motion long before the U.S. election in November, the officials said, neither of whom were authorized to publicly discuss the issue.
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qewcool wrote:
Mar 4th, 2017 2:25 pm
Illegally violate our border trying to evade customs and law enforcement (ie not going to a customs point of entry)
witnessed and arrested on site

and not charged .... why ?
Why even have the law if we are not going to apply it ?

If there were some consequences to breaking our laws, maybe these illegals would start going to an official point of entry in the first place.
Read Misconceptions about how Canada can prevent illegal border crossings

Misconception No. 2: People who enter Canada illegally should be charged and jailed

Under Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, it is an offence for a person to breach any of the Act’s provision without exercising due diligence. People who illegally enter Canada can be charged under that general law and, upon conviction, are liable to a maximum fine of $50,000 and up to two years in prison. But there is an exception to this.

Section 133 of the Act states no one who makes a refugee claim can be charged with illegal entry into Canada unless and until they are finally determined not to be a Convention refugee. This is in accordance with international law and its purpose is not to penalize legitimate refugees who are forced to seek protection from real persecution in their home country. These days it is easy to forget there are legitimate refugees who are able to make their way into Canada.

The reality is while the possibility of being convicted and jailed at some undetermined point in the future after their refugee claims are dismissed might scare snowflake college students, it will not deter those who are currently coming into Canada. At the stage they can be charged it is easier and cheaper to simply deport them rather than commence prosecutions.

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Mar 4th, 2017 2:25 pm
If there were some consequences to breaking our laws, maybe these illegals would start going to an official point of entry in the first place.
If they go to an office point of entry, they have to apply for asylum in the U.S. due to the Safe Third Country Agreement.

Misconception No. 1: The “loophole” in the Safe Third Country Agreement can be plugged

The agreement signed by Canada and the U.S. provides anyone who comes from one country to the other and applies for asylum must be sent back to make that claim in the country they just came from. If they have already been denied asylum in the first country, tough. But the agreement only applies to those who appear at a port of entry. It is not applicable to people who manage to get into the second country.

Many consider this to be a loophole that can be fixed. But this is not a loophole in the sense the signatories to the agreement never thought about it or some enterprising individual dreamed up a way to get around the agreement. The agreement is totally unworkable when applied to inland cases and closing this loophole would do absolutely no good.

Take a hypothetical case of an illegal immigrant from Somalia who is found in Toronto. It can never be proved he entered Canada directly from the United States. Even his admission he just arrived two hours ago is no good; all that means if he is deported from Canada he would rather go to the U.S. than be returned to Somalia. Even if it could be determined he had been in the United States, that is not proof he came directly from the U.S. He could have just returned from a terrorist training camp in the Middle East.

More importantly, he is already in Canada and has no status in the United States. The U.S. would never agree to take him and why should they. A port of entry case is different. There is direct proof the person drove, walked or flew to that port of entry from the United States. Even if a person lands at a Canadian airport, they are not considered to be technically in Canada until they clear immigration. They are still considered to be in the United States.

In short, there is no way this loophole could ever be plugged. And this works both ways. Canada would not accept an illegal immigrant from the United States simply because he or she claims they came from the U.S..
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Its sad to watch the news and see many people in those towns who are affected to be actually OK with these people crossing the border illegally to 'try and find a better life' at our expense. I mean how stupid can you be to be fine with this kind of crap from foreigners who feel that instead of going through the proper channels they can literally force their way in and beg, cry and guilt trip people into helping them and in turn encourage even more people to do the same?

Have we not learned ANYTHING from what's happening in Europe where if you don't stomp this kind of behavior out NOW, its only going to get worse? Its not like the US is a craphole that they're running from, its just that they see Canada as a better option right now and so they want to take advantage of us. And not only that, but you're also going to be encouraging an ever increasing smuggling industry to bring people to Canada's border. Is that what we really want to do?? TURN THEM BACK NOW and send the ones we have back before its too late.
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Mar 5th, 2017 11:50 pm
Iqqts sad to watch the news and see many people in those towns who are affected to be actually OK with these people crossing the border illegally to 'try and find a better life' at our expense. I mean how stupid can you be to be fine with this kind of crap from foreigners who feel that instead of going through the proper channels they can literally force their way in and beg, cry and guilt trip people into helping them and in turn encourage even more people to do the same?

Have we not learned ANYTHING from what's happening in Europe where if you don't stomp this kind of behavior out NOW, its only going to get worse? Its not like the US is a craphole that they're running from, its just that they see Canada as a better option right now and so they want to take advantage of us. And not only that, but you're also going to be encouraging an ever increasing smuggling industry to bring people to Canada's border. Is that what we really want to do?? TURN THEM BACK NOW and send the ones we have back before its too late.
The problem is the media and politicians are so in love with themselves. They actually believe we're in a situation akin to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. I've already seen the term "underground railway" used to describe the phenomenon (which is a disgrace to the actual railway). No semblance of balance or nuance.
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Mar 6th, 2017 12:02 am
The problem is the media and politicians are so in love with themselves. They actually believe we're in a situation akin to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. I've already seen the term "underground railway" used to describe the phenomenon (which is a disgrace to the actual railway). No semblance of balance or nuance.
It's a modern underground railroad with organized networks of smugglers plotting paths through South and Central America to help — often for hefty fees — people fleeing Somalia, Ghana, Djibouti and other countries.

"The smugglers, right from Africa, they define the routes," said Francisco Rico-Martinez of the FCJ Refugee Centre in Toronto, a non-profit group that advocates for and provides support services to newcomers.

"They have contacts in Latin America and they define the routes. And they change the routes depending on how (government) policies change."

Rico-Martinez recently visited Central America and saw the tide of migrants first-hand.

from http://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/71 ... to-canada/
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Canada sees surge in border crossings as thousands seek asylum from US
The number of refugees crossing into Canada from the US has soared since late last year.
Many say they are fleeing a climate of fear in the US. While there is no official tally, it is thought close to a thousand people may have crossed the border in remote areas looking for asylum.
Al Jazeera’s Daniel Lak reports from the Canada-US frontier, south of Montreal.

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tk1000 wrote:
Mar 6th, 2017 12:07 am
Not possible until some Canadian laws are changed and that would mean going against international law and international agreements.

Read Misconceptions about how Canada can prevent illegal border crossings
Then change Canadian laws as necessary to stop this and if it goes against international law then who cares. I don't know why we want to encourage more people to cross our borders illegally as well as help create a larger and ever increasing smuggling trade when we should be doing our best to stop it. These people can't even use the excuse of escaping a warzone or something when all they're doing is coming to Canada because right now they see us as a nicer place to settle than the US. Screw that. Get rid of them ALL and let them put in a proper application if they really want to immigrate here.
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tk1000 wrote:
Mar 5th, 2017 7:48 pm
Two government officials confirmed to The Canadian Press that many of the people coming into Quebec hold American visas issued at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

from http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cabinet- ... -1.3311715
As if it wasn't bad enough before. Now we have evidence that it's a coordinated strategy to flood Canada with illegal immigrants from ISIS's older brother. I don't know why people want to welcome border jumpers that are okay with literally crucifying people as punishment for defying their religion.
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