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Kia optima 2015 oil change really 12,000 km?

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redgrandam wrote: When I went 10-12 k on my one change like I said above the dealer was a bit crabby and argumentative about it. They never said anything about warranty but they did make a notation. That it was a high mileage change in the records. I believe you are right they would have to prove that caused it. But surely if I had a major engine issue soon after that they would have pointed at that.

I haven't gone back to that dealer, and we have moved. The new dealer here is way more friendly and I don't think they would void my warranty for that unless it really caused it (which it won't). I've talked to the service department people quite a bit at my new dealer and I feel like they would be more than fair. It's in their best interest that we do warranty repairs anyways. It's money for them.

I usually schedule when we hit 6000 km, but by the time I have a day off to take it it's usually 7-8k now. And no issues whatsoever.

I don't mind take the cars in a little more (within reason) as they get a look over and a wash. Plus the oil is not synthetic.
My dealer seems pretty friendly and I don't think they'd make a hassle with me going at 9,000km intervals. There are actually several dealers closer to my home but I bought my vehicle from a further dealer (still under 25 min drive) as I got a good price. I originally intended on getting it serviced at the dealer closest to me, but the other place has been great with me thus far so I'll continue using them for now. If they give me hassle, I'll change places.
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redblack wrote: I personally would not go past 8,000km oil change intervals.
Unless your car actually requires it, you're just throwing your money away.
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aqnd wrote: This is why every mfr needs to move to oil life monitors and leave the determination to the engineers and not the dealers, who would love for you to do oil changes twice as often as necessary for fear of voiding your warranty because Canada is 'Severe'.
It's likely not, but who's going to stand up to the dealer if they day otherwise?

OLM sees operating temp, RPMs, runtime etc are in spec and per formula calculates when you need to change. No guess work.

6000 is ridiculous in 2016. (Unless you are legitimately driving it hard and OLM knows this and weight the calculation accordingly)
Yeah, my car has OLM, and I go by it. Just be sure and reset it immediately after a change, in case the tech forgot, or used the wrong reset procedure. (Check your user's manual to find out how).
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crystallight wrote: I have an Elantra and would love for it to have an OLM. The manual says 12,000km but 6,000 if severe. But if it had an OLM, I guarantee it would say at least 10,000km before it indicates to change the oil, and probably even over 12,000km given my driving conditions. I don't drive me vehicle hard at all, 90% of the driving is a low speed highway commute where I put it on cruise control and don't even need to brake (for this reason I expect my brakes to last 3-4 times longer then normal...but I expect when they "inspect" them they'll say they need changing soon anyways...), pretty much never do short trips, I live in the GTA so the weather isn't THAT severe, I drive it under 2,000RPM for the first couple minutes of any trip, etc, etc. My Elantra gets babied so much and there's no way an OLM would tell me to change it every 6,000km.

For this reason, I am not going to get it changed every 6,000km but every 9,000km instead. I figure this is a good compromise as I'm doing it more frequently then the 12,000km "normal" schedule, but not as often as the 6,000km "severe" schedule given the driving conditions my Elantra is exposed to. Will this void my warranty? I don't think so. They have to prove that the oil change resulted in the engine failure, and that's not going to be the case with 9,000km oil change intervals and the way it gets driven. And I'm only doing that until I pass the 100,000km marks (about 3.5 years since day 1). After 100,000km, I'm going by 12,000km.
redgrandam wrote: When I went 10-12 k on my one change like I said above the dealer was a bit crabby and argumentative about it. They never said anything about warranty but they did make a notation. That it was a high mileage change in the records. I believe you are right they would have to prove that caused it. But surely if I had a major engine issue soon after that they would have pointed at that.

I haven't gone back to that dealer, and we have moved. The new dealer here is way more friendly and I don't think they would void my warranty for that unless it really caused it (which it won't). I've talked to the service department people quite a bit at my new dealer and I feel like they would be more than fair. It's in their best interest that we do warranty repairs anyways. It's money for them.

I usually schedule when we hit 6000 km, but by the time I have a day off to take it it's usually 7-8k now. And no issues whatsoever.

I don't mind take the cars in a little more (within reason) as they get a look over and a wash. Plus the oil is not synthetic.
I am not saying they would void your warranty but if you extend the oil change intervals they do not have to prove what caused your engine problem. You have to prove you followed the recommended oil change intervals and if you cant they can void the warranty and you will have to pay for the repair.
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crystallight wrote: I have an Elantra and would love for it to have an OLM. The manual says 12,000km but 6,000 if severe. But if it had an OLM, I guarantee it would say at least 10,000km before it indicates to change the oil, and probably even over 12,000km given my driving conditions. I don't drive me vehicle hard at all, 90% of the driving is a low speed highway commute where I put it on cruise control and don't even need to brake (for this reason I expect my brakes to last 3-4 times longer then normal...but I expect when they "inspect" them they'll say they need changing soon anyways...), pretty much never do short trips, I live in the GTA so the weather isn't THAT severe, I drive it under 2,000RPM for the first couple minutes of any trip, etc, etc. My Elantra gets babied so much and there's no way an OLM would tell me to change it every 6,000km.

For this reason, I am not going to get it changed every 6,000km but every 9,000km instead. I figure this is a good compromise as I'm doing it more frequently then the 12,000km "normal" schedule, but not as often as the 6,000km "severe" schedule given the driving conditions my Elantra is exposed to. Will this void my warranty? I don't think so. They have to prove that the oil change resulted in the engine failure, and that's not going to be the case with 9,000km oil change intervals and the way it gets driven. And I'm only doing that until I pass the 100,000km marks (about 3.5 years since day 1). After 100,000km, I'm going by 12,000km.
redgrandam wrote: When I went 10-12 k on my one change like I said above the dealer was a bit crabby and argumentative about it. They never said anything about warranty but they did make a notation. That it was a high mileage change in the records. I believe you are right they would have to prove that caused it. But surely if I had a major engine issue soon after that they would have pointed at that.

I haven't gone back to that dealer, and we have moved. The new dealer here is way more friendly and I don't think they would void my warranty for that unless it really caused it (which it won't). I've talked to the service department people quite a bit at my new dealer and I feel like they would be more than fair. It's in their best interest that we do warranty repairs anyways. It's money for them.

I usually schedule when we hit 6000 km, but by the time I have a day off to take it it's usually 7-8k now. And no issues whatsoever.

I don't mind take the cars in a little more (within reason) as they get a look over and a wash. Plus the oil is not synthetic.
I am not saying they would void your warranty but if you extend the oil change intervals they do not have to prove what caused your engine problem. You have to prove you followed the recommended oil change intervals and if you cant they can void the warranty and you will have to pay for the repair.
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antigua1999 wrote: I am not saying they would void your warranty but if you extend the oil change intervals they do not have to prove what caused your engine problem. You have to prove you followed the recommended oil change intervals and if you cant they can void the warranty and you will have to pay for the repair.
Which is why I quoted what Kia Canada officially says in an earlier post:
What is the recommended maintenance schedule for my vehicle?

You can follow the normal maintenance schedule listed in your owner’s manual which states that the engine oil and oil filter must be replaced every 12 000 km or 12 months whichever comes first. However, Kia Canada recommends that the engine oil and oil filter be replaced every 6 000 km or 6 months whichever comes first on your vehicle due to severe usage driving conditions in Canada. For additional information, you can refer to your maintenance schedule in your owner’s manual (section 7).
That literally says to follow the 12K service in the first line, then the second line it says they also recommend the severe one. If it was pure and simple that the severe one must be followed in canada period, then they wouldn't have that first line about following the 12K program.

Everyone should keep in mind too, that the manual will say things like 'inspect brakes', and you go to the dealer and they will charge you to do a 'brake service'. That is two different things. Brake inspection is a visual inspection (and something they probably do standard with your oil change at the dealer anyways). So just because the dealer has a sign up to do service 1, 2, 3, 4 etc, that may not actually be what the kia manual says is required.

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