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Leafs Talk (2019/20): POWER RANKING #2 (NBC sportsas at July 1)

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HIgh stakes poker or chicken match? Won't be the first time an athelete f'ups his life. You see this quite often in the NBA lately with players turning down a contract only to end up signing for massive amounts less when no one ante's up. Perhaps we should give Nylander the phone number for Nerlens Noel...btw he turned down 70 millions DOLLARS.
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Dec 1st, 2018 5:01 pm
I saw him Blink. Guess he got a call from Nerlens Noel LOL. As his good friend Pastrnak said, he's making so much more money than he couid ever have imagined...why go thru this drama. Don't think Wheeties will be calling him for a cereal cover now.

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Wow, it's finally over?! How's that deal objectively speaking?
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Ha...they played us.

2 mil bonus to make him whole this year...basically means this was always meant to go to december 1st even though they agreed at a much earlier date on the numbers.

if it was a blinking contest, Leafs didnt have to give him anything extra past the yearly salary. He would've still signed for 6.9. You dont give up nearly $7 mil in 1 year, to make a few hundred k extra per year, essentially making even less than what you lost this year, over the course of the next 6 years.

this was a nicely set up game to have the cap hit this year be at 10.5 mil (or 10.2? cant remember). Nylander needed to wait till December 1st for that to happen. The 2 mil bonus pays him for playing along, essentially paying for the games he did not play this year.



As for the deal optics? Its nearly on par with Kessel's 5.5 mil back in the day, if you remember that contract. Inflation and cap going up, a 5.5 mil back then would be in the 6-7 mil range now. He scored 61 points in his first 2 NHL seasons...he can probably do better...so...6.9 mil per year is essentially 100k per point. Think its ok for the team, ok for the player. Definitely, the Leafs didnt get a "steal of a deal" or anything.

I see TSN calling it a win-win...i'd call it an ok-ok. Deal is fair for both sides, but also not "great" for both sides.

I just hope he doesnt suck for too long, until he catches up, because fans will turn on him real fast after all this media attention and the 10 mil cap hit this year.

Regardless, the way this was handled, I'm never buying his jersey. I'll grab Tavares' next. Already got 2 signed by Matthews. I'll get Marners after he signs, not before.
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holy christ - he is getting around 17 million in the next 7 months ????

nice deal dubas :facepalm:
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The good news with the large bonus this year and next year is his contract is more attractive to other teams in the future if we ever need to trade him.
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Buggy166 wrote:
Dec 1st, 2018 6:33 pm
Ha...they played us.

2 mil bonus to make him whole this year...basically means this was always meant to go to december 1st even though they agreed at a much earlier date on the numbers.

if it was a blinking contest, Leafs didnt have to give him anything extra past the yearly salary. He would've still signed for 6.9. You dont give up nearly $7 mil in 1 year, to make a few hundred k extra per year, essentially making even less than what you lost this year, over the course of the next 6 years.

this was a nicely set up game to have the cap hit this year be at 10.5 mil (or 10.2? cant remember). Nylander needed to wait till December 1st for that to happen. The 2 mil bonus pays him for playing along, essentially paying for the games he did not play this year.
Why would Nylander or the leafs care about the 10.5 mil cap hit this year? I don't see any reason for either to drag this out if numbers were agreed upon already.
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dchabby wrote:
Dec 1st, 2018 6:59 pm
holy christ - he is getting around 17 million in the next 7 months ????

nice deal dubas :facepalm:
It's a great deal. Provides the team with a very future cap friendly and trade friendly deal. It allows for others to be signed at large deals and allows the Leafs to trade him in the future if they choose to do so.
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BongoBong wrote:
Dec 1st, 2018 8:47 pm
Why would Nylander or the leafs care about the 10.5 mil cap hit this year? I don't see any reason for either to drag this out if numbers were agreed upon already.
Because they have cap space this year. Not so much next year with deals for M and M. This was played beautifully by Dubas and Nylander's camp, won't be surprised if this was decided on 3 months ago, and the reason everyone was mum about the negotiations.
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BongoBong wrote:
Dec 1st, 2018 8:47 pm
Why would Nylander or the leafs care about the 10.5 mil cap hit this year? I don't see any reason for either to drag this out if numbers were agreed upon already.
math

cap hit cannot be 10.2 this year UNLESS he signs on December 1st. Anything before that, and the cap hit wouldn't be 6.9 for the remaining years and 10 mil up front. It would be something like 7.5 mil every year instead...

problem is, MLS cannot make it SUPER obvious they're circumventing the cap...even if its legal and above the board...all the teams would start doing this now...also..fans would be super pissed that Nylander missed 26 games because of accounting and personal greed on the player's part.

either way, i dont have a good feeling about how this whole thing went down. Not in terms of bad vibes, but he's clearly not interested in winning a cup in Toronto as much as making top dollar. I hope they win a cup this year, and he gets traded in 1-2 years.

Rather have Tavares who left millions on the table, just to be here. Ditto for Gardner if you guys caught the CBC 2nd period break, seems he might be ok with a salary lower than the 6-7 mil he'd get in free agency, just to stay with his family in Toronto.

Nylander made a couple millions more than Pastrnak, but he's nowhere close to that guy in skill level and fans will expect him to be just as good or better.

The saving grace is Toronto's paying nearly half of that contract, up front. So, trading him will still result in a 6.9 mil cap, but money owed is a lot less than that, so poorer teams will have no problems paying him.

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