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Leafs Talk: Rookie Sensation

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sharpshooter88 wrote:
Mar 3rd, 2017 3:16 pm
Sure, great for this year's push, but that came with a two year extension which I think is a bad contract for an aging player that's averaging less than 25 points a year since 2013.



I hope they make the playoffs. Everyone knows it's not a deep draft, so chances are drafting 14th overall will net you a similar player that you would get at drafting 15th to 30th overall. We have to win those damn shootouts. I'm all for the skilled rookies to take the shootouts, but Tyler Bozak should be in there going first. He's got a 36.8% shootout percentage lifetime (best on the team), he scores alot on the five hole deke. I'd go Bozak, Matthews, and Marner for the first three shooters.
How about Brian Boyle, 2 for 3 in shootouts. Should have traded for Vanek, just for shootouts, 5 for 5.

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bobcat99 wrote:
Mar 3rd, 2017 3:36 pm
How about Brian Boyle, 2 for 3 in shootouts. Should have traded for Vanek, just for shootouts, 5 for 5.

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I suggested Bozak because his career shootout percentage is 36.8%. I'm not looking at this season alone.
And no, obviously don't trade for Vanek, unless you need someone to disappear in the playoffs.
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sharpshooter88 wrote:
Mar 3rd, 2017 3:53 pm
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I suggested Bozak because his career shootout percentage is 36.8%. I'm not looking at this season alone.
And no, obviously don't trade for Vanek, unless you need someone to disappear in the playoffs.
I was being sarcastic about Vanek not about Boyle, I know small sample but still.
Now that you mention Bozak, take out a couple of his first years where he had success, he is 1 for 10 in his last two years so really he is not the answer either.
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bobcat99 wrote:
Mar 3rd, 2017 4:59 pm
I was being sarcastic about Vanek not about Boyle, I know small sample but still.
Now that you mention Bozak, take out a couple of his first years where he had success, he is 1 for 10 in his last two years so really he is not the answer either.
He may not be the solution, but I would be willing to try anything to get a different result. We're losing that extra point with the status quo anyways, so I'm open to change. Shootout is a weird beast, the best shootout players aren't usually your best players on your team.
https://www.sportingcharts.com/stats/nh ... ge-active/

For shootout percentage, I'd look at the entire career, not just isolating the two bad seasons that Bozak had. He's got the highest shootout percentage on your team and ranked #61 in the entire league amongst active players, so it's not a crazy idea to let him have a go.

And Andersen's got to be a bit better in shootout. He's just not very good in this skills competition event.
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Mar 3rd, 2017 5:14 pm
He may not be the solution, but I would be willing to try anything to get a different result. We're losing that extra point with the status quo anyways, so I'm open to change. Shootout is a weird beast, the best shootout players aren't usually your best players on your team.
https://www.sportingcharts.com/stats/nh ... ge-active/

For shootout percentage, I'd look at the entire career, not just isolating the two bad seasons that Bozak had. He's got the highest shootout percentage on your team and ranked #61 in the entire league amongst active players, so it's not a crazy idea to let him have a go.

And Andersen's got to be a bit better in shootout. He's just not very good in this skills competition event.
Hmmmn....TSN is talking about whether Leafs should have gotten a shootout specialist like Vanek at the deadline. Wonder if that would not have been a bad idea after all rather than getting those Pittsburghers.
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Looks like the Leafs legit hit the wall now as a team. Guess it shouldn't be unexpected just bad timing since we were in a playoff spot and now its questionable as to whether we'll make it.

Not the end of the world to trade a 2nd for Boyle, but not like he's making a huge impact at the moment and I would rather have kept the pick and as I said we should've moved Polak and Hunwick and even Bozak if there was a market for them. I know people are anxious to get back to the playoffs and all, but one extra year of moving vet players for assets plus a higher 1st pick at the draft would've help this team more in the long run.

Next season was the year I expected the Leafs to actually challenge for a playoff spot. This year was just a bonus if we made it.
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Mar 4th, 2017 2:43 am
Looks like the Leafs legit hit the wall now as a team. Guess it shouldn't be unexpected just bad timing since we were in a playoff spot and now its questionable as to whether we'll make it.

Not the end of the world to trade a 2nd for Boyle, but not like he's making a huge impact at the moment and I would rather have kept the pick and as I said we should've moved Polak and Hunwick and even Bozak if there was a market for them. I know people are anxious to get back to the playoffs and all, but one extra year of moving vet players for assets plus a higher 1st pick at the draft would've help this team more in the long run.

Next season was the year I expected the Leafs to actually challenge for a playoff spot. This year was just a bonus if we made it.
But did it occur to you that maybe Polak, Hunwick, or Bozak didn't get moved because no one wanted them? Especially Bozak with his contract, no one is taking that off our hands.

And Boyle has played well and his line was the only one that made much of an impression for me. Their cycle game in the Ducks zone was great and I thought their line was the best last night.

I thought the top 4 defensemen had a tough game, especially Gardner who had a rough go early on. Mariner's line was -4 and I really didn't notice Matthews at all. That's what you get on the 3rd game in four day road trip.
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Looks like the Leafs legit hit the wall now as a team. Guess it shouldn't be unexpected just bad timing since we were in a playoff spot and now its questionable as to whether we'll make it.

Not the end of the world to trade a 2nd for Boyle, but not like he's making a huge impact at the moment and I would rather have kept the pick and as I said we should've moved Polak and Hunwick and even Bozak if there was a market for them. I know people are anxious to get back to the playoffs and all, but one extra year of moving vet players for assets plus a higher 1st pick at the draft would've help this team more in the long run.

Next season was the year I expected the Leafs to actually challenge for a playoff spot. This year was just a bonus if we made it.
What I found odd out about Boyle, was after the deal, nothing got done for D at the deadline. Either you get help or don't get Boyle at all considering he is not signed after this year. Maybe things didn't materialize, only management knows.
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Mar 4th, 2017 10:34 am
What I found odd out about Boyle, was after the deal, nothing got done for D at the deadline. Either you get help or don't get Boyle at all considering he is not signed after this year. Maybe things didn't materialize, only management knows.
if you get D at the deadline, you lose it to Vegas. Unless its an AHL player. Nobody will move a protected AHL prospect for your unprotected forward at the NHL level.
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sharpshooter88 wrote:
Mar 4th, 2017 4:47 am
But did it occur to you that maybe Polak, Hunwick, or Bozak didn't get moved because no one wanted them? Especially Bozak with his contract, no one is taking that off our hands.
Where any of those three even on the trade block? Didn't hear anything at all about any of them even remotely being available. Polak and Hunwick could've potentially returned a couple of mid round picks or so and as for Bozak he has some decent value. Valtteri Filppula from Tampa was traded to Philly and he almost became a Leaf except he turned us down. He has a bigger contract than Bozak, but less goals and points and is worse in face off percentage, so if he can be moved I don't see why Bozak couldn't if he were available.
And Boyle has played well and his line was the only one that made much of an impression for me. Their cycle game in the Ducks zone was great and I thought their line was the best last night.

I thought the top 4 defensemen had a tough game, especially Gardner who had a rough go early on. Mariner's line was -4 and I really didn't notice Matthews at all. That's what you get on the 3rd game in four day road trip.
Boyle isn't bad, but I don't see why we really need him when Goat was playing alright on the 4th line. Maybe if Boyle was 5 years younger it'd be better because you could possibly re-sign him and get a couple of good seasons out of him, but now unless we start turning things around its looking to be a kind of a waste. Again I think next season would've been the more ideal time to be a buyer and to make an actual playoff push with a season under most of our rookies' belts. Save our picks and either use them in the draft or trade it for something better rather than a quarter of a season or so of a 4th liner.
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What I found odd out about Boyle, was after the deal, nothing got done for D at the deadline. Either you get help or don't get Boyle at all considering he is not signed after this year. Maybe things didn't materialize, only management knows.
I'm guessing as you said that possibly there wasn't a deal to be made that would significantly upgrade our defense so we didn't do anything. Personally as I said above I would've preferred to trade Polak and Hunwick for anything and then play our young guys and even a couple of Marlies and see what they could do. Tampa traded two of their vets and they can still compete for the playoffs, why couldn't we do the same while at the same time give our young guys an opportunity to shine and see who's worth keeping and who we can let go?
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Mar 5th, 2017 7:04 am
Where any of those three even on the trade block? Didn't hear anything at all about any of them even remotely being available. Polak and Hunwick could've potentially returned a couple of mid round picks or so and as for Bozak he has some decent value. Valtteri Filppula from Tampa was traded to Philly and he almost became a Leaf except he turned us down. He has a bigger contract than Bozak, but less goals and points and is worse in face off percentage, so if he can be moved I don't see why Bozak couldn't if he were available.
But Toronto is in a unique situation that not many teams have. Leafs have the cap space and are flush with money to eat bad contracts of other teams. It's quite possible that if Filppula waived his no trade to come to the Leafs, Lou may have buried him on Robidas island. And what did Tampa get after the Filppula trade? In the end after the dust settled on the trades with Flyers and Penguins, Tampa ended up down on the trade because they had to give away a 7th round draft pick to shed Filppula's contract.

I think Bozak is serviceable but I don't believe teams value him very highly either, he's a decent third line centre playing with Marner. Realistically, Leafs would have to give away a pick along with Bozak, and that's not in line with the team's strategy or what you've been suggesting.
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sharpshooter88 wrote:
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But Toronto is in a unique situation that not many teams have. Leafs have the cap space and are flush with money to eat bad contracts of other teams. It's quite possible that if Filppula waived his no trade to come to the Leafs, Lou may have buried him on Robidas island. And what did Tampa get after the Filppula trade? In the end after the dust settled on the trades with Flyers and Penguins, Tampa ended up down on the trade because they had to give away a 7th round draft pick to shed Filppula's contract.

I think Bozak is serviceable but I don't believe teams value him very highly either, he's a decent third line centre playing with Marner. Realistically, Leafs would have to give away a pick along with Bozak, and that's not in line with the team's strategy or what you've been suggesting.
Bozak has better stats than Filppula and on a cheaper contract. Again I don't know why you think we'd have to give assets away to trade him when we'd be getting assets back even if they aren't amazing. Also Filppula was traded for a 4th and a conditional 7th pick. So they RECEIVED a pick plus possibly one more for Filppula and I'm pretty sure Bozak could land abit more than that.
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MaximDude wrote:
Mar 8th, 2017 8:33 am
Bozak has better stats than Filppula and on a cheaper contract. Again I don't know why you think we'd have to give assets away to trade him when we'd be getting assets back even if they aren't amazing. Also Filppula was traded for a 4th and a conditional 7th pick. So they RECEIVED a pick plus possibly one more for Filppula and I'm pretty sure Bozak could land abit more than that.
Um, no, you've got it completely mixed up. It was Tampa who traded two picks and Filppula to the Flyers for Streit.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ligh ... it-flyers/.

It cost Tampa to get rid of a contract.
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sharpshooter88 wrote:
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Um, no, you've got it completely mixed up. It was Tampa who traded two picks and Filppula to the Flyers for Streit.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ligh ... it-flyers/.

It cost Tampa to get rid of a contract.
Thats because they NEED to get rid of money to resign their top guys. Toronto doesnt NEED to do anything. Would only trade Bozak for a return, or use him. win win
That and Bozak's a lot more serviceable to begin with. Also, market at deadline can be totally different from year to year. We'll see what happens.

Either way i expect JvR trade in off season and Bozak trade at deadline.
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