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T-Bone wrote:
Oct 12th, 2012 5:43 pm
I'm very happy with the Ecosmart Pot light conversion kit. Costco and Lowes seem to have similiar products as well, but I have not tested.

This one gives off viturally the same light colour as a halogen and in my case they are an improvement in brightness over the 50W bulbs that they replaced, as these are a 65W replacement.

The price recently changed from $50 to $40, so they are getting better cost wise. After I did my calculations, the payoff is after 5 years of regular usage. I'm pretty happy about only changing the bulb every 25 years Vs. every 1.5 to 2 years.
What is the purpose of paying $40 for this, when you can just replace the PAR20 bulb in your potlight to a PAR20 LED for $20..
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I bought 4x BR30 Luminus 15 watt LED lights for the outdoor pots in my eves (to replace the halogens). They're supposed to be 85Watt equivilants.

I'll post pictures tonight... but so far i'm very impressed. I believe the bulbs were about $23 each.

I replaced a 45 watt halogen with one last night (the only I could reach without taking out a ladder), The light given off looks very similar to the halogens.
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delavoie wrote:
Oct 16th, 2012 12:33 pm
What is the purpose of paying $40 for this, when you can just replace the PAR20 bulb in your potlight to a PAR20 LED for $20..
The advantage is getting a built-in cover plate, which is virtually seemless with the light itself. The old pot light covers that I had, seem very archaic next to this new design. There may also be some design attributes that allow for better light dispursement due to the set back divit design VS. a regular flush to the ceiling design. I admit, that may not be worth the extra $20 to most people. If you are considering switching over to LED, I'd suggest to buy a few different LED lights (including this one) to compare side by side and buy the one that best suits your needs. Most major home reno stores have pretty good return policies if you wanted to do a test run.

However, I've also not found a PAR20 LED that meets the same or better qualities of a regular old halogen bulb.
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HotYaris wrote:
Jun 18th, 2012 3:05 am
Some Costco locations sell a 60 watt equivalent 12.5 watt LG A19 bulb with 810 lumens for $20 with a 3 year replacement warranty. I bought 2 of them for table lamps and they are super bright.
Like others, I am waiting for the 100 watt replacement LEDs for $20 or less at Costco to replace ceiling CFLs.
That day is coming soon, so try not to break your mercury filled CFLs until then.
Yeah I am still awaiting 100W equivalents still stuck with 23W CFL's for that unfortunately.
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wilburyan wrote:
Oct 18th, 2012 11:26 pm
Well I swapped out my outdoor bulbs with these from Costco and overall i'm pretty impressed:
I replaced a 65W flood at the office with a BR30 from Costco as well, and the LED is a bit brighter.. pattern and colour is extremely close.

However, they won't fit in the regular pot lights in the rest of the building, I will have to get a socket extender. The existing lights had a long neck, which was just long enough to get to the socket, the costco ones are a different shape. With a ~1" socket extender, it should fit... We've got 11 65W regular bulbs here, replacing those with 15W LED's should save 50W a bulb, ~12 hours a day, comes out to about ~$300 a year saved, plus reduced A/C bills. I already replaced the 6 200W outdoor lights with 42/45W CFL's, that's saving around $500 a year there, plus the bulbs don't need to be changed anywhere near as often.. it'll be awhile before we have LED's bright enough for that application though.
Oct 23, 2012
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I wonder if the energy savings would justify spending $60-100 for an LED bulb....

Great steady light source though.

I love new tech developments.
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From my perspective, the simple answer 'No'.

Don't forget, if you are buying/switching the entire house with LED, you would have spent close to $500+ (assuming you will need about 20-30 LED bulbs) for buying just LED bulbs. You do the math ... let's say by converting to Leds, you saved $10 per month, at this rate, you would have to wait 4 yrs or more simply to recover what you had spent. On the bright side, you have done Mother Earth a big favor.

drepraep wrote:
Oct 24th, 2012 7:35 pm
I wonder if the energy savings would justify spending $60-100 for an LED bulb....

Great steady light source though.

I love new tech developments.
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booblehead wrote:
Oct 25th, 2012 8:23 pm
From my perspective, the simple answer 'No'.
I completely disagree.

In my example where I replace 4 outdoor lights... total draw prior was 260watts, after... 60 watts. I keep them on all night with a dusk / dawn timer... so right now it's over 12 hours / night... in the summer it will be less. For easy math lets say an average of 10 hours per day.

My power costs $0.1061 /kW.h


power consumption / day: 260w x 10hours = 2.6kW.h /day
cost / day: 2.6kW.h * $0.1061 = $0.27586
cost / year to operate: 0.27586 * 365 = $100.69 / year

Not to mention that those old bulbs are rated to last approx 2500 hours... and a year of use at 10 hours per day would be 3650 hours... so assuming they happen to beat the odds, outlast their rating and make it a full year, I would be spending $22 for 4 bulbs every year...

total cost per year including replacement of lights with old bulbs... $122 / year.

power consumption / day: 60w * 10hours = 0.6kW.h /day
cost / day: 0.6kW.h * $0.1061 = $0.06366
cost / year to operate: 0.06366 * 365 = $23.2359

So cost to operate for the first year... about $123

At my usage lvls... I will reach the lifespan of the LED bulbs in just shy of 7 years.
So if the led bulbs cost me $100... and I can use them for 7 years at $23.23 / year.
Total cost for 7 years would be: $262
while total cost for 7 years of the old lights would be: $854

If you don't use the lights as much as I am, you'll still see the savings, it just might take you longer than 1 year for the break even point. You should also note that if your power rate is higher than mine, or if rates go up in the future... this will only hasten the payback on the new lights.

If you have incandescents or halogen, I would saw replace with LED. (providing you arn't getting screwed when you buy the new bulbs... the 60 watt equiv LED sylvania's that superstore has right now for $13 somethin is pretty decent, even better if you live near the one that cut that in half!)
If you are replacing CFLs that are working... might want to hold off on replacing them, LEDs will use less power, but not that much less.
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coriolis wrote:
Sep 18th, 2012 12:14 pm
That is awesome, these guys will be riiiich... So many applications.
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If you want 100w equivilent LED bulbs, buy 30w LED bulbs from ebay. They cost $40 USD.

The high powered LEDs used are 1W leds, and each LED gives off approx 100 lumens per watt.
So that's 30000 lumens on a 30W bulb.

I use 12W LED bulbs from ebay in the kitchen, the lumen output is 1200lm. Close to 1600lm of a 100w incandescent.
I do photography, and I took pictures and the brightness of the histogram is very close.
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I have eleven 50 watt spotligts in a new kitchen, 550 watts just for the lights which I thought was a bit ridiculous.
So I looked at LED replacements.
They are certainly cheap enough now. less than $5.00 each, but I have two problems with them.

One is the colour temperature - even though I got warm white ones, spec'd at 2700K to 3200K, they are noticeably 'colder' than the existing halogens and the light is sort of "harsh"
I have no way to actually measure the colour temperature, but I assume it's on the high side of the spec assuming it's actually in spec.
The other issue is the dimmability - these are "dimmable" LED GU10's and they do dim - but only to about half intensity whereas the halogen ones dimm pretty much right down.

Brightness is no problem, these bulbs are actually slightly brighter than the halogens they replace - I also got the COB ones which look much better than the ones where one sees multiple LED's. Sizewise they fit well - the neck is a bit longer than the halogens but the way the fixture is made that is not an issue.

My question - has anyone come across GU10 LED floodlights that are visually the same colour temperature and brightness as halogens?
Aug 3, 2010
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If anyone is looking for LED light bulbs (PL-13W,G24) for residential or T8 Models (48i/36in) for commercial use, you can PM me or email me at glendon.k@futuresolardevelopments.com. Pricing can be worked.

Price ranges (varies based on quantity):

PL13W-G24 ($18)
T8 Models ($21-$29.99)
Aug 3, 2010
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I also forgot to mention:

A19 9W for $10

We are located in Toronto/Markham.
Aug 10, 2003
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Can somebody please direct me to where's the best place to buy GU10 and MR16 LED's? based on price/reliability/decent brightness(40-50 W equivalent)