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[Coolin]

that was me up to the point where I saw the OAUC list of people applying to comp sci in 2003-2004. There was something like 30,000 applications to UofT, it was simply too much competition for me to want to put up with in four years ;\

How do you check for the number of applicants to a certain program? That would be some interesting information to know about.

Nanotech is a fascinating field that is mostly theory, (which will be touched upon in your physics comment). If you want to learn more about it, check out foresight.org, they have a lot of articles, many in laymens terms, you may or may not enjoy

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Ok. IT's funny you should note this. Engineering Science as a whole was created 50 some odd years ago (I *think*) to bridge the gap between Engineering and Science, this was the main purpose. If you like theory, you'll enjoy most of the courses in engineering science as a whole, and the physics options may actually be for you

Yes, that's the thing that allured me into Engineering Science in the first place. I believe that all areas of knowledge benefit one another. Science benefits engineering... engineering benefits science... even art and science benefit each other. The entire trend of specializing nowadays is against that belief.

Engineering Science seems to be the least "specialist" engineering program in Canada; they try to teach some of the science and theory behind the practical application. All the other programs I've seen force you to specialize in the first year, or upon direct entry into University (Waterloo...).

The main thing about engsci is how much theory you'll be doing. That is, a lot. It will prepare you for the type of research you'll be looking forward to in grad school, although I am in no position to speak yet as I am only in my 2nd year even though I try and put it off as though I know everything :P

I like research.

Actually, part of the rason I did poorly was because I had a laptop, which I recommend not getting

Woops. Too late.

That's ok , I have a gf anyway, it's just nice to see girls in engineering sometimes :P

If it helps any, our valedictorian, who just happens to be female, is also coming to UT for Engineering Science. That makes it a 50/50 gender split for our school and Engineering at U of T.

Ok, this is a reason that a lot of people choose this program. It's not a terrible reason, so long as you realize duirng first/second semester what you really want to do, don't spend the rest of your university career trying to figure that out, spend the first few months

Doesn't that ruin the point of having two years before specialization instead of just one year? =/

Finally, I again reiterate how important it is for you to dye yourself purple. You will have a blast if you do, and I suggest taking the subway even if you don't have to, just to see the look on people's faces

I'll think about it. :p

[shinjiplus]

Very correct! I was 0T3+PEY...all of the *top* people in 0T3 all went into EngSci elec - that was by far the most popular option. The governor general award winner was an EngSci comp. I myself was a comp.

Anyhow, if I had to do it again, I wouldn't. It does kill your marks, and the stress and everything is simply not worth it. I had a mid-80s average coming out, but I had to work *way* too hard for that.

Basically if you don't want to be a prof - want to do business, meds, law, whatever...or even just simply get a job - there are other routes to get there...and EngSci is not one of them.

haha i'm 0T6+PEY Eng Sci COMP... and we have no girls in our class at all! we're actually the second-smallest option, and we may be the smallest due to drop outs.

Ok. IT's funny you should note this. Engineering Science as a whole was created 50 some odd years ago (I *think*) to bridge the gap between Engineering and Science, this was the main purpose. If you like theory, you'll enjoy most of the courses in engineering science as a whole, and the physics options may actually be for you

i was under the impression that a bunch of the "old boys" wanted to make the hardest damned engineering they could come up with, and called it engineering physics (now known as engineering science).

[laser7500]

I just thought of something to ask here.

A large portion of students move from eng sci to another program after first term or first year. While it is not the case for everyone, I bet a fair portion of this is because of failure/near failure. Now, if these students were to switch programs and preform well in their new program and applied to a graduate program, how would the marks in the time they spent in eng sci factor into this, and more importantly, how would it affect their application to grad school? I'm not exactly familiar with how GPA works in a case like this, so I'm curious.

[mystro]

How do you check for the number of applicants to a certain program? That would be some interesting information to know about.

I suppose this isn't something that's released in alberta. We have a book in ontario released by the OUAC showing statistics for every program, quite nifty.

I was under the impression that a bunch of the "old boys" wanted to make the hardest damned engineering they could come up with, and called it engineering physics (now known as engineering science).

From what I understand, engineering physics is the equivalent at Queens and McMaster... the profs I spoke to claim it was for the purpose of uniting the science and engineering portions, although I may be wrong

I just thought of something to ask here.

A large portion of students move from eng sci to another program after first term or first year. While it is not the case for everyone, I bet a fair portion of this is because of failure/near failure.

Not true at all, there is roughly a 33% drop out rate, however if you speak to the councillors for engsci, they will let you know that most of the people move out of their own accord, very few move out due to grades. I had one person in specific who moved out with a 4.0 GPA to do Civ, after first semester. Then, he did not enjoy civ, and moved to York for this year to start again and study with the purpose of going into med school.

Now, if these students were to switch programs and preform well in their new program and applied to a graduate program, how would the marks in the time they spent in eng sci factor into this, and more importantly, how would it affect their application to grad school? I'm not exactly familiar with how GPA works in a case like this, so I'm curious.

you'll have to ask someone who has actually switched or is considering switching as they'll most likely have talked about this with the nsci councillors

Cheers

[shinjiplus]

From what I understand, engineering physics is the equivalent at Queens and McMaster... the profs I spoke to claim it was for the purpose of uniting the science and engineering portions, although I may be wrong

our program was originally called engineering physics.

[mystro]

our program was originally called engineering physics.

fair enough, I am going based on second hand accounts as it is

what was the reason for the renaming?

[Mark77]

i was under the impression that a bunch of the "old boys" wanted to make the hardest damned engineering they could come up with, and called it engineering physics (now known as engineering science).

[windforcexx28]

wow at the bump