LF: webdesigner

[Groovetube]

Right... single out a bad one as an example... (rolling eyes)



After contracting out work to several different consulting companies, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and after hiring several summer students over the past couple of years for a few bucks an hour, I beg to differ.

I have worked with many high-paid "professionals" over the past few years, as well as plenty of summer students. I am in a good position to comment. I doubt you are.

In fact no one really calls themself a "professional web designer" these days... because it almost sounds laughable. That's like someone calling themselves a "professional food eater". No sense in calling yourself a professional if everyone else can do it.

Look at the other examples, they're no better. Like any industry, there are plenty of talentless people calling themselves pros. That doesn't mean there aren't professional talent worth money.

either you're a troll, or you haven't a clue.

Or you haven't worked with 'true' professionals. The ones I've worked with, and hired, have a lot of talent, experience, and knowledge, and I wouldn't consider using less on an important piece of work. There is a reason why I have paid 40 bucks an hour to someone, and, as a business owner, I would be pleased if I had good talent at 7 bucks an hour. If you know of people who are capable of that sort of work that will work for less than 10 bucks an hour, I encourage you to please send their resumes and portfolios. I always like to have options when I need to contract out work. Please do.

[DaFonz]

After contracting out work to several different consulting companies, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and after hiring several summer students over the past couple of years for a few bucks an hour, I beg to differ.

In fact no one really calls themself a "professional web designer" these days... because it almost sounds laughable. That's like someone calling themselves a "professional food eater". No sense in calling yourself a professional if everyone else can do it.

See, the thing is.. not everyone else CAN do it. You need to learn the distinction between a real professional and the so called companies you are outsourcing to because you're looking in the wrong places.

Things like accessability, web standards, and cross browser issues are all things that not "everyone can learn and know". How about sites that work across different devices? If there wasn't such a market for "professional" web developers, then why do the Eric Meyers and the Jeffrey Zeldman get paid the way they do? I mean.. surely if a student could do that well.. then there is no reason to hire those so called professionals.

You want good sites? http://www.webstandardsawards.com/

I don't know why I bother jumping into these debates. There's always those who know.. and those who think they know and it just goes around in circles because no one can convince the other side.

[Groovetube]

I don't know why I do either, it just started out with warning against expecting good results with inexperienced webdesigners. There's always someone who says they can do it for a song, and well everyone has downloaded a copy of dreamweaver and photoshop, and suddenly they know all the important things the real pros spent many many hours learning.

I do once in a while see good work by students, but few people realize how long it actually takes to develop something well.

[gei]

Or you haven't worked with 'true' professionals. The ones I've worked with, and hired, have a lot of talent, experience, and knowledge, and I wouldn't consider using less on an important piece of work. There is a reason why I have paid 40 bucks an hour to someone, and, as a business owner, I would be pleased if I had good talent at 7 bucks an hour. If you know of people who are capable of that sort of work that will work for less than 10 bucks an hour, I encourage you to please send their resumes and portfolios. I always like to have options when I need to contract out work. Please do.

Unfortunately you guys are attacking the wrong point. I am by no means claiming that these 'true' professionals aren't good at what they do.

What I am claiming is that there are plenty of talented kids out there who are just as good.

[lf-webdesigner]

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[Jon Lai]

Is the space still open? Something like this is just what I need to occupy myself for the summer!

[coolspot]

In fact no one really calls themself a "professional web designer" these days... because it almost sounds laughable. That's like someone calling themselves a "professional food eater". No sense in calling yourself a professional if everyone else can do it.

If you're looking for a "professional" I think the closest is Registered Graphics Designer (RGD)...

[Rehan]

The OP was updated on Jan 24 to say he was no longer looking for one. Time to lock this thread.