lol Canada has granted a work visa to a famous Chinese smuggler in Canada.

[Jon Lai]

[QUOTE=MizTEcK;8225582]it was only a matter of time


refugees like him who abuse our lax immigration laws are sucking up huge amounts of money, and that 6 billion dollars worth is only an estimate, he kept huge amounts of money hidden from selling what was basically public goods (Chinese-government-owned-enterprises)[/QUOTE]

Keeping a rich smuggler as refugee is better than keeping a refugee from other countries that are obviously poor and will require welfare.

Heck, I saw on the news last night that a Chinese women and her Canadian born daughter is seeking refuge because she is Christian/Catholic (forgot which) and claims that if she is sent back to China she will be discriminated at because of her religion! She's been denied twice but still appealing!

[googoo]

[QUOTE]Heck, I saw on the news last night that a Chinese women and her Canadian born daughter is seeking refuge because she is Christian/Catholic (forgot which) and claims that if she is sent back to China she will be discriminated at because of her religion! She's been denied twice but still appealing![/QUOTE]

Funny thing is that this happens all the time ... actually it's NOT funny, what they found was the simplest way to beat the system ... Come here, claim refugee, lose MULTIPLE times, find a way to get pregnant, fight the deportation order based on the hardship that your CANADIAN child will be put through because you got pregnant to stay in Canada and beat the system ........UGH!

Kick the guy out!

Brent

[ibanker]

this would help the trade deficit. hes bringing his money from china and spending it here. its great for our economy

[googoo]

He's broke!

[bigredlemon]

Canada doesn't extradite anyone who face a real risk of capital punishment to any other country. China isn't the only one. They've done it plently of times with the US as well.

[Nikita]

[QUOTE=st7860;8223001]Perhaps, if the guy was a famous fun gong practitioner here as a refugee from China or maybe a political protestor, a work permit might make sense. However, a work permit for a well known smuggler? lol

[url]http://www.theprovince.com/news/Beijing+slams+Canada+over+work+permit+accused+smuggler/1265347/story.html[/url]

Beijing has criticized a decision by Canada to grant a work permit to a Chinese citizen [B][I]charged[/I][/B] with smuggling and considered one of the country's most wanted fugitives, the Beijing News reported Saturday.
[/QUOTE]

Perhaps if this guy was actually [I]convicted[/I] you're argument might hold some weight. Seeing as he's only been charged and is on Canadian soil, he is still considered innocent until proven guilty. Yeah yeah I know, he'll never be proven guilty or exonerated as long as he's here, but the point remains that he is not a convicted criminal.

[QUOTE=AmberMoon;8223381]Shakes head, Sorry I do not agree. I do not think allowing criminals passes into any country other then their own. Giving them sanction because they will be prosecuted for their crimes in a country that they committed those crimes in is asking for Pandora box to be opened. Guaranteed they know the outcome if they are caught.[/QUOTE]

That box has been open for most of our history. Oddly enough, the sky hasn't fallen yet...;)

[QUOTE=Hairball;8223694]It's Canadian policy to not send people back if they might face the death penalty, and he was arrested when Jean Chretien was still prime minister.

But speaking of that policy, it has already been reversed at least in some cases.

But that being said, I am not sure what to make of this, so many things here just don't seem to make much sense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bigredlemon;8227157]Canada doesn't extradite anyone who face a real risk of capital punishment to any other country. China isn't the only one. They've done it plently of times with the US as well.[/QUOTE]

The Chinese government has given Canada assurances they won't execute him. This isn't about our policy to not extradite where someone may face the death penalty. This is about the concern of him being tortured if returned. Apparently China's not willing to guarantee that won't happen. Which kinda tells us it will.

[QUOTE=rdtx2002;8225916]Canada does not have an extradition treaty with any country[/QUOTE]

You're joking, right?

[Majinvegeta]

What about all the poor people in China who have to live horrible lives through who knows what kind of torture and poor wages? not only China but other countries as well.

Does Canada wish to give them all a Visa too?

Funny, yea lets help a criminal but when it comes to helping innocent poor people trying to get immigration so they can give their children a better life, Canada wastes their time, money and delays the process.

Screw the crappy politics in this country, its dull boring and a pile of crap.

Yea let's help a Chinese criminal so we can get on China's bad side, good idea.

[perplexed_one]

this case tells me that this guy didn't tithe some of the profits made from illegal enterprise, to the Chinese government. because as we all know the government is rife with corruption and greed.

[kiasu]

This is a joke to me..come on..I would suggest deport this damn guy immediately....he's a criminal!!!

If he is given a legal status, then Stephen Chow (A HK actor/director) should get the legal status too. Not sure if anyone remember Stephen Chow got rejected because Canada think he's related to the mafia in Hong Kong.

[gman]

[QUOTE=rdtx2002;8225916]Canada does not have an extradition treaty with any country[/QUOTE]

In 2007, the RCMP-Interpol website listed the following countries as having extradition treaties with Canada: Albania, Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Korea, Latvia, Liberia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, Monaco, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, United States and Uruguay.

[artsreview]

[QUOTE=Nikita;8228199]Perhaps if this guy was actually [I]convicted[/I] you're argument might hold some weight. Seeing as he's only been charged and is on Canadian soil, he is still considered innocent until proven guilty. Yeah yeah I know, he'll never be proven guilty or exonerated as long as he's here, but the point remains that he is not a convicted criminal.[/QUOTE]

As part of the immigration process, all applicants are required to get a police certification for good behaviour -- from each country where they've lived for more than six months after the age of 18.

Why should this guy get a work permit, and perhaps immigration, when the police of his country are clearly not willing to give a certification? Why is he so important that the rules don't apply to him?

[ronin893]

[QUOTE=Nikita;8228199]Perhaps if this guy was actually [I]convicted[/I] you're argument might hold some weight. Seeing as he's only been charged and is on Canadian soil, he is still considered innocent until proven guilty. Yeah yeah I know, he'll never be proven guilty or exonerated as long as he's here, but the point remains that he is not a convicted criminal.[/QUOTE]What you say is true but how likely is it that he made his billions legally in China?
He bought his million dollar Vancouver home in cash.

Here is an interesting read.
[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2009598.ece[/url]

[jstaneon]

whats the difference between smuggling and selling pirated dvd's?

Im sure Canada will welcome him with open arms like all the other criminals that come here.

Go Canada :!:

[windforcexx28]

[quote=jstaneon;8230493]whats the difference between smuggling and selling pirated dvd's?

Im sure canada will welcome him with open arms like all the other criminals that come here.

Go canada :!:[/quote]

+1

[Nikita]

[QUOTE=artsreview;8229970]As part of the immigration process, all applicants are required to get a police certification for good behaviour -- from each country where they've lived for more than six months after the age of 18.

Why should this guy get a work permit, and perhaps immigration, when the police of his country are clearly not willing to give a certification? [B][I]Why is he so important that the rules don't apply to him[/I][/B]?[/QUOTE]

What rules are you talking about that don't apply to this guy. He isn't any more or less important than anyone else facing torture if deported back to their country of origin. Because that is the reason Canada won't send him back. Our country doesn't support torture anymore than it does the death penalty. They're applying this policy, no matter who it is.

Hell if we turned back everyone that doesn't get a certificate of good behaviour (?), nobody would ever be able to claim refugee status or escape countries that employ torture or the death penalty. No country that wants to use torture or other objectionable measures is ever going to help those trying to escape it.