Loophole at UofT

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[MarkIII]

You can always change major if your marks are high enough during the second year to make the minimum GPA cutoff.

[Homer88]

I believe when you get accepted to a program UofT you're guaranteed a spot in second year for the post. You can most certainly do what you suggested, and try to apply for a different post in second year. But you won't be guaranteed a spot, so there'll be a chance you won't get in even if you have a 4.0.

[flexwong]

you are not guaranteed to be able to get a subject post for a different program. some require faculty recommendation + high grades etc. you can't just go: oh, im gonna declare my subject post as a biology major despite the fact that i entered as a humanities student.

also, if you couldn't get the required 80 something in high school, what makes you think you can get that high in the first year university courses?

[MizTEcK]

u actually can

if you're artsci student, anything and everything goes, all it takes is changing POST in ROSI during allowed times

if you're in any of the specialized programs i.e. engineering/commerce where your tuition is much higher (~7500), then you have to apply specially for those

[xOnic_]

Technically, you could call it a 'loophole' since everyone in the Faculty of Arts and Science are required to take 1 Humanities, Social Science and Science course for their degree.

Only limitation I can think of is the priority for life science classes (ie, life science get first picks on science courses and business students have first picks on their business classes), but there is usually plenty of room. You don't really have to declare a POSt until you have completed 5 FCE, but your choice of POSt will definitely depend on your marks.

Honestly, if its life science is hard for those who originally got accepted with their 8x+ average, I would recommend staying away from UTSG science if you have anything less and go to a different university for life science.

[Homer88]

you are not guaranteed to be able to get a subject post for a different program. some require faculty recommendation + high grades etc. you can't just go: oh, im gonna declare my subject post as a biology major despite the fact that i entered as a humanities student.

also, if you couldn't get the required 80 something in high school, what makes you think you can get that high in the first year university courses?

You're guaranteed a spot, not guaranteed to get into the subject post.

For example, if there are 300 spots in the Computer Science (this is a bad example cause CS at UofT never fills up, but whatever) pOST where UofT accepted 300 students from High School, that means they already set aside 300 spots for the different kinds of subject pOSTs. It's listed in the requirements that all thats needed to get into the CS subject pOST is a 2.0GPA, 60% in MAT137 or 65% in CSC165 and 65% in CSC148. If all 300 of these people met the requirements and all of them decide to enroll in a subject pOST. Tommy from social sciences who wants to apply for a subject pOST in CS has a chance of not getting in, even if he meet all the requirements.

Does that make sense?

[baller89]

You're guaranteed a spot, not guaranteed to get into the subject post.

For example, if there are 300 spots in the Computer Science (this is a bad example cause CS at UofT never fills up, but whatever) pOST where UofT accepted 300 students from High School, that means they already set aside 300 spots for the different kinds of subject pOSTs. It's listed in the requirements that all thats needed to get into the CS subject pOST is a 2.0GPA, 60% in MAT137 or 65% in CSC165 and 65% in CSC148. If all 300 of these people met the requirements and all of them decide to enroll in a subject pOST. Tommy from social sciences who wants to apply for a subject pOST in CS has a chance of not getting in, even if he meet all the requirements.

Does that make sense?

This is true, but there is almost ALWAYS space. LOL at the person that said a 4.0 first year wouldnt get you into lifesci

[blizzah]

I believe when you get accepted to a program UofT you're guaranteed a spot in second year for the post. You can most certainly do what you suggested, and try to apply for a different post in second year. But you won't be guaranteed a spot, so there'll be a chance you won't get in even if you have a 4.0.

NO. Do you even go here? You are completely wrong.



And to teh OP, yes this is a loophole if you want to call it that, you can pick whatever courses you want, you can take 5 sciences and do biology next year if you want. No one will stop you. Just keep in mind some courses may have high school requirements/recommendations.

[Homer88]

NO. Do you even go here? You are completely wrong.



And to teh OP, yes this is a loophole if you want to call it that, you can pick whatever courses you want, you can take 5 sciences and do biology next year if you want. No one will stop you. Just keep in mind some courses may have high school requirements/recommendations.

I go there and I'm in fourth year. Do YOU go there? Read my second post, might clear things up a bit more (first post I admit was bad).

And I'm just telling you what it says on my offer of admission from 2006. By getting accepted in the program means you're guaranteed a spot in it after first year. It doesn't automatically mean you're in the program, every arts and science student has the same status in first year.

[MizTEcK]

^there's no guarantee of a spot in anything, that's why they have big majors such as Psyche, Sociology and until recently Geography with NO pOST requirements, to accomodate those who always wanted to apply to these programs and as well as those who couldn't get into their original major of choice

example:

architecture creates 50 spots (until this year, which will be upped to 80), they accepted over 400 students in first year who all applied under "architecture - Arts and Science", and they will basically compete again in second year for those spots. However, if a lifesci (or someone from any other major) student decides to also apply for architecture the second year, they will add to the competition and might (or likely will) take away spots from those who wanted archi originally

[blizzah]

I go there and I'm in fourth year. Do YOU go there? Read my second post, might clear things up a bit more (first post I admit was bad).

And I'm just telling you what it says on my offer of admission from 2006. By getting accepted in the program means you're guaranteed a spot in it after first year. It doesn't automatically mean you're in the program, every arts and science student has the same status in first year.

I do go there. By guarantee a spot what do you mean? A spot in Arts and Science? Yes, you are given a place in Arts&Science and your designation as a Life Sci/Huma/SS student is determined by the courses you take and the subject post you enroll in after first year. It has nothing to do with what you put down as a high school student.

Because lets say you apply to LMP after high school, BY NO MEANS are you guaranteed anything related to LMP if you dont have a 3.9+ GPA after first year.

If you apply to lets say english, but in that summer decide you want to do science and take BIO/CHM/MAT/PHY and get a 4.0 GPA and apply to LMP subject post, they will be happy to take you.

To the OP, after first year when applying/competing for subject posts, it doesnt matter if you enrolled in as Life Science, or Humanities, all it comes down to is courses taken/marks in them/and interview if they require it.

[pitz]

Hehe.. What a mess... At the University I went to, Engineering students got priority over pretty much everyone else (even Arts & Science students) into getting into A&S courses. The reason: Engineering schedules are the least flexible, and too many engineers were being locked out of A&S courses if they weren't given priority.

Engineering students were also completely exempt from any limitations on the number of courses taken per term (and they only charged tuition on the first 12 taken each year). Very useful, and lots of guys would take 9-10 courses per semester.

[ElChico]

It's not really a loophole. At our competing university we call it "Shadowing" a program. We look less favorably on transferring students that do that past the first year and I try to make the course filters to prevent that.

[blizzah]

Very useful, and lots of guys would take 9-10 courses per semester.

If you can take a DOUBLE course load and still get decent marks, then you should be able to go to school for free.

Thats like 45-50 hours of CLASS a week, how the hell do you manage that