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Lowe’s Water Heater install quote Ontario replace gas lines?

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Lowe’s Water Heater install quote Ontario replace gas lines?

Just wondering if you think I will need to have new gas lines installed.

Lowe’s quoted me $375 for install and new venting plus $75 for the trip and said if I needed to replace the gas lines it may be another $600 on top of that. My home was built in 2003. Here is a picture.
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I believe that would be a yes for the vent pipe. Looks like you have ABS (black) pipe, the latest code specifies use of PVC (white) piping.
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oxymoron29 wrote:
Mar 13th, 2019 4:14 pm
I believe that would be a yes for the vent pipe. Looks like you have ABS (black) pipe, the latest code specifies use of PVC (white) piping.
+1 for the vents needing to be changed from ABS to PVC.

You may also have to have the NG gas line flare nuts replaced given it was 2003

TSSA Flare Nuts

3 years ago when our water heater was replaced, the city's installer (our city runs its own WH rental program) pointed this out and changed them for the water heater.
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brobinsoncc wrote:
Mar 13th, 2019 4:12 pm
Just wondering if you think I will need to have new gas lines installed.

Lowe’s quoted me $375 for install and new venting plus $75 for the trip and said if I needed to replace the gas lines it may be another $600 on top of that. My home was built in 2003.
Your flare nuts are fine. Technically there should be a black iron union between the copper line and the black iron tee...but a lot of techs tend to overlook it.

You "MIGHT" have what most call an AC copper gas line that is prone to flaking off the inner coating, if so then that should be replaced....but I cant see it costing $600 for that short run.

As already mentioned your ABS needs to be updated.
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looks like a reliance rental tank.... did you buy it out ?...
yes need 636 vent but gas line looks ok as long as no green flakes in drip leg. even the short piece of copper needs replaced it wouldn't be expensive..
edit. reliance / union energy (old name)
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tralexus1 wrote:
Mar 13th, 2019 5:09 pm
looks like a reliance rental tank.... did you buy it out ?...
yes need 636 vent but gas line looks ok as long as no green flakes in drip leg. even the short piece of copper needs replaced it wouldn't be expensive..
edit. reliance / union energy (old name)
Yeah it was bought out by the previous owner
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Android412 wrote:
Mar 13th, 2019 4:45 pm
Your flare nuts are fine. Technically there should be a black iron union between the copper line and the black iron tee...but a lot of techs tend to overlook it.
The flare fitting and nut would take the place of the union.
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pootza wrote:
Mar 14th, 2019 8:35 pm
The flare fitting and nut would take the place of the union.
A flare fitting is not considered to be a reusable connection, so some inspectors will tag it if there's no black iron union.

I'm not saying flare aren't used as unions by many (including myself), but from an inspection stand point there is supposed to be a black iron union.
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Android412 wrote:
Mar 15th, 2019 12:31 pm
A flare fitting is not considered to be a reusable connection, so some inspectors will tag it if there's no black iron union.
Every fitting is reusable if it meets inspection.
Some inspectors will tag it? Not all? Why not?
There's nothing in the code that says you even need a union.
Android412 wrote:
Mar 15th, 2019 12:31 pm
I'm not saying flare aren't used as unions by many (including myself), but from an inspection stand point there is supposed to be a black iron union.
Who does your inspections?
Please provide the code where it states you need a black union.
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pootza wrote:
Mar 15th, 2019 5:20 pm
Every fitting is reusable if it meets inspection.
Some inspectors will tag it? Not all? Why not?
There's nothing in the code that says you even need a union.



Who does your inspections?
Please provide the code where it states you need a black union.
4.1.3 An appliance, accessory, component, equipment, or any other item shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s certified instructions and this Code.

Installation manual will say the appliance requires a union, and a large percentage specifically say "ground joint union"(black iron). Some do say you can use "other approved gas dis-connect" but don't mention flares specifically, only "a flexible gas connector".

As I said not all will tag for it, but I've heard from many techs who where tagged for it over the years.
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