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Man, 19, 90 days in jail for hit and run

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webshark wrote:
Nov 8th, 2017 11:37 pm
Kill a person in Canada you get a light sentence. Screw up your taxes and they will ruin life. In Canada its all about the taxes. Its harder to bring an extra bottle of booze in to the country than to claim refugee status.
So true
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Well he is over 18 as an adult. The point is hit and RUN. 90 days in jail for killing and trying to run away is a joke. That actually will give an example to encourage people to run away after an accident because they might have a chance to get away.
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Clearly there was a reason he ran away. He was most likely impaired.
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Before you guys jump on the hate bandwagon, I'd question the intent. We have no information on this guy's intent. It was likely a genuine accident, I doubt the driver had the intent to do this. The punishment would be for being an idiot who left the scene of a horrific accident. All things considered, spending 90 days in jail for fleeing an accident you had no intention to be a part of is a fairly sobering sentence. Living with the fact you killed someone is also a punishment of sorts. Why the assumption that he did this on purpose?
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webshark wrote:
Nov 9th, 2017 11:33 pm
Clearly there was a reason he ran away. He was most likely impaired.
Says what evidence? A 19 year old would be instantly fearful and without much real life experience would panic and make illogical decisions. So we're supposed to pay for his free rent in prison for the rest of his life? Make him suffer like the rest of us and have a job to pay that rent.
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It's usually not a crime to accidentally kill someone, unless you were committing another crime or being negligent. Consider that if he had hit her but didn't run, he wouldn't be facing jail time or any other criminal penalty. It differs from manslaughter in that the act (running from the scene) wasn't a contributing factor to the death.

"Hit and run" laws generally are more of a matter of ensuring insurance is properly processed if you accidentally hit someone's car.
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ConsoleWatcher wrote:
Nov 10th, 2017 7:16 am
It's usually not a crime to accidentally kill someone, unless you were committing another crime or being negligent. Consider that if he had hit her but didn't run, he wouldn't be facing jail time or any other criminal penalty. It differs from manslaughter in that the act (running from the scene) wasn't a contributing factor to the death.

"Hit and run" laws generally are more of a matter of ensuring insurance is properly processed if you accidentally hit someone's car.
Does it say somewhere that it wasn't a contributing factor to the death? The act of the "run" can sometimes cause the death if medical aid was much slower due to late 911 notification.

Also, there is mention of a stolen vehicle, if he had stolen the vehicle that later caused the accident I would imagine it might change many people's thoughts that it was just a young man who "panicked".
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bleysX wrote:
Nov 10th, 2017 12:35 pm
Does it say somewhere that it wasn't a contributing factor to the death? The act of the "run" can sometimes cause the death if medical aid was much slower due to late 911 notification.

Also, there is mention of a stolen vehicle, if he had stolen the vehicle that later caused the accident I would imagine it might change many people's thoughts that it was just a young man who "panicked".
I guess the "run" part could be a contributing factor since he presumably didn't call for medical help that might have saved her depending on her injuries; if he had, for example, called 911 anonymously he might have met that need.

Even if he stole the car, it wouldn't make him criminally liable for the accident since the fact the car was stolen was unrelated to tbe accident.
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The media can add alot of years to the sentencing. This case has low media coverage.

Marco Muzzo got 10 years which is pretty light still.
Gas and Dash guy got life, Max Titiven.

Will be interesting to see how many years the girl below get.
http://toronto.citynews.ca/2017/10/14/w ... orth-york/
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flyingnurse wrote:
Nov 9th, 2017 6:26 pm
I am assuming intent played a big role in this case. The man did not intend on hitting the guy.

And not to get way off topic but what does putting a 19 year old behind bars for 15 or 20 years do for society? Serious question, the punitive justice system has its many flaws, for a man of his age I think its better he gets rehabilitated one way or another.
"what does putting a 19 year old behind bars for 15 or 20 years do for society?"
Deter all individuals who think they can take a chance and run. What 19 year old means? then where is the boundary? is 20 still ok?
He's not just panicked and run-a-way, he's be quite calm to continue to drive and hide a while until cop get him.

What a DUI driver will do next? kill and run with far less punishment then be honest.
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napoleonbot wrote:
Nov 10th, 2017 1:21 pm
"what does putting a 19 year old behind bars for 15 or 20 years do for society?"
Deter all individuals who think they can take a chance and run. What 19 year old means? then where is the boundary? is 20 still ok?
He's not just panicked and run-a-way, he's be quite calm to continue to drive and hide a while until cop get him.

What a DUI driver will do next? kill and run with far less punishment then be honest.
I'm thinking if they're suggesting 19 year olds don't know better, maybe 19 year olds shouldn't be allowed to drive.
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ConsumerBran wrote:
Nov 10th, 2017 2:23 am
Says what evidence? A 19 year old would be instantly fearful and without much real life experience would panic and make illogical decisions. So we're supposed to pay for his free rent in prison for the rest of his life? Make him suffer like the rest of us and have a job to pay that rent.
Only fear will incapacitate a person, he is not panicked or feared, he managed to speed away, and hide and probably manage to fix car and get all kinds of things need to be done before cop get him.
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napoleonbot wrote:
Nov 10th, 2017 1:21 pm
"what does putting a 19 year old behind bars for 15 or 20 years do for society?"
Deter all individuals who think they can take a chance and run. What 19 year old means? then where is the boundary? is 20 still ok?
He's not just panicked and run-a-way, he's be quite calm to continue to drive and hide a while until cop get him.

What a DUI driver will do next? kill and run with far less punishment then be honest.
This is the reason why most DUI driver will leave the scene of the crime. Leaving the scene is a crime but lighter than DUI.
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That's a long time for a hit and run, most just get a fine

If you're a cop, you just go on paid vacation
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At least it's 90 days, the three kids in Montreal who brutally beat a woman to death at a bus stop in some sort of gang initiation got probation, and clean record.

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