May 2009: GM and Ford Surprise Edition

[Engi-Nir]

Well, it is quite interesting to see a bankruptcy company still doing better month after month than Toyota/Honda....


America Numbers
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/b...prise-edition/


General Motors------- -29.55% 191,875 272,363
Ford Mo Co------- -24.25% 161,531 213,238
Toyota Mo Co------- -40.72% 152,583 257,406
Honda America------- -41.46% 98,344 167,997
Hyundai------- -20.42% 36,937 46,415
Chrysler Group------- -46.88% 79,010 148,747
Nissan NA------- -33.10% 67,489 100,874
BMW Group------- -27.65% 22,993 31,781
Mazda ------- -40.12% 16,718 27,921



Canada numbers:

GM -12.4% 31,784 36,277
Honda -17% 15,624 xxxxxx
Toyota -25.2% 21,316 xxxxx
Ford -7.2% 21,873 xxxxx

Nissan -8.8%
Hyundai +26% don't know # of vehicles sold

[nornet]

Do you think people are starting to realize the importance of the domestic automotive industry to the overall economy?

[malacus]

These numbers alone do not mean anything. I'd much rather see Net Profits comparisons.

Lets just hope no car companies need to do any massive recalls that they can ill afford at this time.

[darek_dade]

Do you think people are starting to realize the importance of the domestic automotive industry to the overall economy?

No, I think that GM is selling cars with huge discounts and in fact they are not making any money on them.

[hi-tech]

I'm pretty sure this has something to do with $5-12K off MRSP on domestics. You can barely haggle with Honda, Toyota is hurting a bit more, but not enough to give away their cars like the domestics are doing.

[shinichi]

the million dollar question is, if GM cut all the incentive to make profits and put them as expensive or even more than equivalent imports, how many of us are still buying their cars?

[Engi-Nir]

the million dollar question is, if GM cut all the incentive to make profits and put them as expensive or even more than equivalent imports, how many of us are still buying their cars?

The million dollar question is, how did Toyota lose more money than GM in the first 3 months.

[lubi]

Well, I may not like the quality of Ford/GM cars but they are doing an excellent job in attracting buyers with all the incentives and ads, which is not bad by the way.

Well, it is quite interesting to see a bankruptcy company still doing better month after month than Toyota/Honda....


America Numbers
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/b...prise-edition/


General Motors------- -29.55% 191,875 272,363
Ford Mo Co------- -24.25% 161,531 213,238
Toyota Mo Co------- -40.72% 152,583 257,406
Honda America------- -41.46% 98,344 167,997
Hyundai------- -20.42% 36,937 46,415
Chrysler Group------- -46.88% 79,010 148,747
Nissan NA------- -33.10% 67,489 100,874
BMW Group------- -27.65% 22,993 31,781
Mazda ------- -40.12% 16,718 27,921



Canada numbers:

GM -12.4% 31,784 36,277
Honda -17% 15,624 xxxxxx
Toyota -25.2% 21,316 xxxxx
Ford -7.2% 21,873 xxxxx

Nissan -8.8%
Hyundai +26% don't know # of vehicles sold

[Engi-Nir]

I'm pretty sure this has something to do with $5-12K off MRSP on domestics. You can barely haggle with Honda, Toyota is hurting a bit more, but not enough to give away their cars like the domestics are doing.

You tried to haggle with Honda? it is always 500 above invoice, easy as it gets...so has been my family experience with them. Except for my bro who got 3k below invoice (USA dealerships rock!) 08ex-l my other relative got 250 above invoice, and lexus rx350 got at invoice(08 pebble beach edition), i got an pricing on TL last yr 500 above invoice right away., depends a lot on the sales person more than anything!

[Engi-Nir]

Is this the answer?

Are Foreign Automakers Building Cars Americans Don't Want To Buy?
http://jalopnik.com/5275959/are-fore...nt-want-to-buy