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today on the island of Montreal obviously you guys have seen that we were hit pretty hard with snow. Now typically in the past, when we don't go out, you're paid for the entire day and you prep your things for tomorrow.
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Management up top decided, they wanted us to prep our things, but make us stay the entire day at the office to be paid. Otherwise we could leave and it would be taken out of our personal days... Good showing of solidarity, we stood together and said if that's the case, everyone is not here tomorrow and Friday good luck with that. Management changed their mind and we were paid for the entire day.
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ksimms3, i'm also in montréal. they made us wait sround forever until we got our séquencé, then we had to wait until the case was free to sort and tie out. if we had red boxes to do, we had to go do them, and shit out of luck if your box was one to do after 17h because they wouldn't allow you to go back home. if we felt 'unsafe' leaving yeah, personal day. what a **** joke. luckily mine was fine, but i'm pretty sure i pissed them off by claiming my overtime the last two days so they harpooned me into doing the commis (clerk ?) job at the little packages. luckily my delegate was there and let them know i couldn't look up at the board and only sorted the scannables, not the little chinese.

apparently it's all of québec : 'In light of the severe weather conditions across the entire province of Quebec, it is not safe to send our delivery agents to deliver mail today. Delivery will resume once conditions improve and it is safe to do so.'
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Thrasher wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 10:31 pm
Can someone verify if we can currently claim OT for collating flyers for the next day after our shift? All the supervisors in our depot are denying this and either are saying that this will come next year or that you have to meet these conditions:
-tell your supervisor beforehand
-have to have at least 8 flyers
-be already in OT once you start collating
Is there any truth to this and can anyone point me to the appropriate article in the collective agreement? Today I was collating 14 sets of flyers for tomorrow and spent 1.5hrs OT doing so without getting paid. And that was just my apartments. I still need to collate for houses tomorrow.
I have been paid for collating ( just once). Stupidvisors have a chart that tells them how much time to give you, broken down by POCs and number of sets. IIRC I was given 7.5 mins ( wtf?) for collating 4 sets for 200 units of a walkthrough. Definitely not enough time but whatever.

Collate your flyers in the morning, then complete your 8hrs and come back with mail. If they want to make these walks so bloody long and overload us with flyers, then they can pay for it.


First thing tomorrow get a grievance form from your shop steward. We have to stand up to these $#@!^.

We don't work for free !!!
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Hugh Jass wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 6:38 pm
I have been paid for collating ( just once). Stupidvisors have a chart that tells them how much time to give you, broken down by POCs and number of sets. IIRC I was given 7.5 mins ( wtf?) for collating 4 sets for 200 units of a walkthrough. Definitely not enough time but whatever.

Collate your flyers in the morning, then complete your 8hrs and come back with mail. If they want to make these walks so bloody long and overload us with flyers, then they can pay for it.


First thing tomorrow get a grievance form from your shop steward. We have to stand up to these $#@!^.

We don't work for free !!!
7.5 minutes ? where do these numbers come from ? the route i do is over evaluated by a few minutes but doesn't keep me from consistently being over for HOURS. i know they're pissed about their bonus and now i have to reel it in because i snapped back a little today, but this just keeps devolving into the biggest shitty management. i believe i can change dépôts after the month is up and then am locked into one for a year. i rather change than stay in this abrasive place.
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Hugh Jass wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 6:38 pm
I have been paid for collating ( just once). Stupidvisors have a chart that tells them how much time to give you, broken down by POCs and number of sets. IIRC I was given 7.5 mins ( wtf?) for collating 4 sets for 200 units of a walkthrough. Definitely not enough time but whatever.

Collate your flyers in the morning, then complete your 8hrs and come back with mail. If they want to make these walks so bloody long and overload us with flyers, then they can pay for it.


First thing tomorrow get a grievance form from your shop steward. We have to stand up to these $#@!^.

We don't work for free !!!
I'm gonna be honest, I've never came back and been like "hey sup, gonna collate for an hour on ot!!"

I just do it and ask for the sheet when I'm done. Write down everything that put me into OT including how many sets of flyers to collate. I've never had a problem with it.

Time work is time paid, period. They can interview you about not following proper procedures but they can't withhold the money. I HAVE been threatened with suspensions and interviews for taking overtime before, but that's all they were, empty threats to try and scare me into not taking the time.

Classic supervisors playbook at the end of the day is make you feel guilty or uncomfortable asking for the overtime sheet. It's a sleaze ball move only used by the greasiest supervisors.
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are we supposed to collate at the end of our shift !? i've rarely finished within times and only once did they ask me to prepare stuff for the next day but i was 7 walking hours into a tough route (imo) and i was like, i'd really rather not, and left. i suppose it makes sense. i do see some people when i come back doing the ads.

i wish they would tell us this shit. i'm relief at the same depot next week and i'm in the dumps.
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vegemite wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 8:18 pm
are we supposed to collate at the end of our shift !? i've rarely finished within times and only once did they ask me to prepare stuff for the next day but i was 7 walking hours into a tough route (imo) and i was like, i'd really rather not, and left. i suppose it makes sense. i do see some people when i come back doing the ads.

i wish they would tell us this shit. i'm relief at the same depot next week and i'm in the dumps.
You are not "supposed to", but it is now an OPTION that you are allowed to do. Many people that are on the same route the next day use this option. Imagine in the winter.... you go into work in the morning and the flyers are ready to go. You can now get out quicker, have more time to deliver in the DAYLIGHT, and you can once again work on the flyers when you are back, when it is now dark out. Kind of makes sense if you have trouble getting your route done.
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Hugh Jass wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 6:38 pm
I have been paid for collating ( just once). Stupidvisors have a chart that tells them how much time to give you, broken down by POCs and number of sets. IIRC I was given 7.5 mins ( wtf?) for collating 4 sets for 200 units of a walkthrough. Definitely not enough time but whatever.
I don't know about this either. I don't believe that there is a formula in place as to how much you can claim for doing flyers. 7.5 minutes doesn't even pay you for the time to collect them, scan them and organize them (cut straps off etc.). I think that the union brass would be very interested in hearing about that as well.... Can you imagine how much this company could save if they actually treated us like human beings, instead of being *%&'s about everything, and then having to fight every stupid thing they do in front of an arbitrator?
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vegemite wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 8:18 pm
are we supposed to collate at the end of our shift !? i've rarely finished within times and only once did they ask me to prepare stuff for the next day but i was 7 walking hours into a tough route (imo) and i was like, i'd really rather not, and left. i suppose it makes sense. i do see some people when i come back doing the ads.

i wish they would tell us this shit. i'm relief at the same depot next week and i'm in the dumps.
I believe that when this started, the union in our depot handed out leaflets explaining the change and the right to do it... You may have started after that happened, or maybe they didn't come to your depot to do the same. Management sure as heck isn't going to tell you. Welcome to Canada Post. A top 100 employer....a decade ago.....
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timetotellthetruth wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 8:27 pm
You are not "supposed to", but it is now an OPTION that you are allowed to do. Many people that are on the same route the next day use this option. Imagine in the winter.... you go into work in the morning and the flyers are ready to go. You can now get out quicker, have more time to deliver in the DAYLIGHT, and you can once again work on the flyers when you are back, when it is now dark out. Kind of makes sense if you have trouble getting your route done.
makes a lot of sense. thank you.

i'm going to try and breath for tmrw delivering 2 days of mail and two thirds of flyers plus what i brought back on tuesday. it is what.. it is..
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Book your overtime. Do a pre departure and request over time before you leave the depot, if you are planning to do over time.

If you are doing 8 hours try to get your admail done and your scannables. Best of luck don't get hurt.
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Thanks guys for all your input on overtime and collating flyers. It seems like the supervisors are all trying to pull a fast one on us and today was the 4th supervisor that told me we are not paid for collating flyers into our OT. I insisted it is in the contract and she told me to give her the OT sheet that she will talk to the "higher" guy, I guess the superintendent. It's a shame because my depot has one of the best supervisors in the city. Someone said that a time worked is a time paid, which I 100% agree. That was one thing I could not fathom once I started, I have never seen or heard of this in any job - you collate flyers often for hours on your OWN time after the shift - makes no sense. Now with the new contract it is how it should be. I mean, I know we are paid to deliver these, but I would rather get paid zero per piece and get properly paid overtime for collating, because I have spent countless hours working for free and now I'm fed up. I am relief and I try to do a good job on my route so I often go over 8 hours, but it doesn't even seem to be appreciated from the supervisors. I mean, I could do a crappy job as other LC's and risk suspension or I could be constantly be bringing mail back, but I hate re-sorting on the next day. Just like someone said, everything would be so much easier if they treated us as human beings.
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vegemite wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 8:18 pm
are we supposed to collate at the end of our shift !? i've rarely finished within times and only once did they ask me to prepare stuff for the next day but i was 7 walking hours into a tough route (imo) and i was like, i'd really rather not, and left. i suppose it makes sense. i do see some people when i come back doing the ads.

i wish they would tell us this shit. i'm relief at the same depot next week and i'm in the dumps.
I keep hearing different stuff. If you collate in the morning before leaving for your route, how can they deny you OT? When I first started I was like you, came back exhausted after 9-10 hours, last thing I wanted was collating for another hour. Hang in there, it will get better. You just gotta figure it out. The supervisors won't tell you to collate in the evening as they don't care. I wish once in a while some of them would actually help us with collating as they often are just behind their computers pretending to be busy, but I have yet to see this. Once I had a supervisor tell me I should collate after my shift (this was with the old contract) which is also not true, especially if you are over your 8 hours. I mean, you can do it and if it takes you into OT, by all means claim OT quoting Appendix D of the collective agreement. Otherwise, as said before try to do what you can in 8 hours, deliver your admail and PCI's and if you run out of time and do not want to go into OT, just bring the rest of the mail back. Most likely you will have to resort the next day, but at least you finished what is most important.
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The following was the letter posted by the union on the subject....


Prepartion Of Unaddressed Admail
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Tuesday December 13 2016
2015-2019/214
No 88
As of December 9, 2016 the Urban Operations Collective Agreement will be in full force and effect. One of the key changes that we need to be aware of is the preparation of unaddressed admail at the end of the day and how this impacts a letter carrier’s workday.



New Language
The new language in Appendix “D” of the Collective Agreement that expires on January 31, 2018 is:

*“new 2) d) The preparation of neighbourhood mail by letter carriers will be performed at the end of the day. Consequently, time will be credited at the end of the route under the Letter Carrier Route Measurement System (“LCRMS”) for routes structured to return to the depot at the end of the day.”

Exceptions to the end of the day preparation of neighbourhood mail may occur during the normal course of the work day. However, when the morning procedure aimed at evaluating the need for overtime is followed, the fact that overtime occurs at the end of the day will not be considered an exception.”



What Does This Change Mean?
Letter carriers will now have the ability to prepare their unaddressed admail (neighbourhood mail) at the end of their work day if their route is structured to return to the depot at the end of the day. The majority of letter carrier routes are structured to return to the depot at the end of the day. The preparation of unaddressed admail includes collating the mailings if you have (3) three or more sets to deliver the following day. This includes collating for all point of call (POC) types; door to door or centralized delivery (CMBs, panels and apartments). Letter carriers will have the option as to whether or not they choose to collate their unaddressed admail.

If you choose to prepare your unaddressed admail at the end of your day and you are into overtime, you will be paid overtime for doing this work, if you follow the morning procedure aimed at evaluating the need for overtime. This means notifying your supervisor in the morning that you think that you will be into overtime by the end of your day due to, for example, heavy mail and/or parcel volumes, an over-assessed route, an improperly assessed route or an anticipated heavy volume of unaddressed admail. If something unexpected occurs during your day that may cause you to go into overtime and you did not advise your supervisor in the morning that you may be into overtime, notify your supervisor as soon as possible. Letter carriers working on part-time routes will also be paid for the preparation of unaddressed admail either with extended hours up to 8 hours and overtime if you work beyond 8 hours.

If you follow the processes noted above and you are denied overtime for the preparation of unaddressed admail, please contact your shop steward, local union office or regional office for advice. If this cannot be resolved through discussions at the local level, then it will be necessary to file a grievance to ensure that you are paid the overtime that you are entitled to.



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Thrasher wrote:
Mar 15th, 2017 10:38 pm
I keep hearing different stuff. If you collate in the morning before leaving for your route, how can they deny you OT? When I first started I was like you, came back exhausted after 9-10 hours, last thing I wanted was collating for another hour. Hang in there, it will get better. You just gotta figure it out. The supervisors won't tell you to collate in the evening as they don't care. I wish once in a while some of them would actually help us with collating as they often are just behind their computers pretending to be busy, but I have yet to see this.
Coz it's not allowed. That would be taking OT from a cupw member, they can't do our work. Period.
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