[Merged] The Butchers AKA Marlon Meats Organic Meat - Feedback/Discussion

[Dina_E]

And a third one will come along to buy it, even when it's obvious from the beginning that it's too good to be true.

finally some sense.

there are 3 groups of extremely gluttonous parties involved with this.

1. the butchers
2. deal site
3. the buyers

[kator]

CBC Radio 1? Heh, well I will tune in for that, so that makes at least one person listening to that station in Canada.

ha, well cbc is the only media outlet that doesn't have their own coupon company

[SkiLLz]

finally some sense.

there are 3 groups of extremely gluttonous parties involved with this.

1. the butchers
2. deal site
3. the buyers

While I agree that the buyers were obviously not the smartest individuals involved (especially the ones that bought vouchers after it was obvious that The Butchers were making their rounds on all the deal sites they could), I think it's a little inaccurate to put them in the same ballpark of gluttony as the butchers and the deal sites.

The Butchers - made tens of thousands of dollars based on lies and deceit.

The deal sites - also made tens of thousands of dollars acting as an accomplice for the butchers to carry out their fraudulent activities.

The buyers - Lost $50-100 per voucher hoping to get premium overpriced meat at a steep discount because they trusted the deal sites.

The buyers, while obviously naive and unrealistic, are the victims here. End of story.

[Tamarlane]

@ kator

You spoke well within the context of the program which seemed to be a generalization of the group deal industry. In retrospect, by no fault of yours, one could have gotten the impression that Marlon's issues were momentary and subsequently resolved. I think that even a full hour on just The Butchers fiasco would not be enough to adequately cover the issues.
Your zinger on the 'unfortunate' choice of names for the re-branded business was classic. The interviewer seemed to get it but I think it may have slipped by the general audience. Hint to those not getting it, think of a typical name of a 70's porno movie.

If it was I who misread that, please let me know and I will wash my brain out with soap.

Cheers-

[Love2Snack]

Did anyone record this? Or is it posted anywhere?

[NoFrillBill]

Did anyone record this? Or is it posted anywhere?

I would like to know as well.

[Cas77]

Did anyone record this? Or is it posted anywhere?

Pretty sure they release podcasts of all their shows.

[Love2Snack]

I found it here

http://www.cbc.ca/ontariotoday/2012/...group-coupons/

Those guys in Ottawa sound even more ******** than Marlon. They actually admitted they were broke and that it was a 'get rich quick scheme'

Who admits that they wilfully were scamming. lol

[ronin1701]

I found it here

http://www.cbc.ca/ontariotoday/2012/...group-coupons/

This quote made me laugh.

Interviewer: How many of these things are there, these social media sites?

Ryerson prof: In Toronto, there's a whole bunch, there's at least ten.

Also, p!ssing me off, the woman who just gave up on the deal where she got burned and can't be bothered to go after Groupon for it. Nice way to reward the scammy vendor and the scammy deal site.

[kator]

This quote made me laugh.

Interviewer: How many of these things are there, these social media sites?

Ryerson prof: In Toronto, there's a whole bunch, there's at least ten.

why is that funny? most cities don't have that many:P

[ronin1701]

why is that funny? most cities don't have that many:P

No, more the fact that:

1. this "expert" on "social buying" was a bit unsure herself
2. there's >> 10 in Toronto.

[kator]

No, more the fact that:

1. this "expert" on "social buying" was a bit unsure herself
2. there's >> 10 in Toronto.

fyi, this "expert" is me.

[ronin1701]

fyi, this "expert" is me.

So tell me, how many of these sites are there operating in the Toronto market??

[Tamarlane]

@ Love2Snack

Yes, I found it refreshing to have the kid inadvertently admit to it being a ponzi scheme or more accurately in their case a Hail Mary pass. Of course a higher up can always say the kid didn't know what he was talking about but the kid's purpose to fit the sympathy bill went well " we love the store and don't want it to close (repeat 3X)" He was the owner's kevlar vest. The kid reminded me of the pimply faced employee always shown on Family Guy.

I would say that Aubrey's and The Butchers have effectively killed the group coupon potential for any quality meat establishment. This is a good thing. These group deals simply CANNOT work under certain circumstances. Offering a coupon for a one off restaurant meal or to fill a half-full dance class when overheads are already accounted for is good business.

Offering high quality food, which everyone knows costs substantially more in general for an 80+% vendor loss and then doing it 6-7 times in succession is pre-meditated fraud. It would seem in these cases that Marlon is the Master, and Aubrey "grasshopper". I wouldn't be surprised if they even had a conversation, Aubrey to get information and learn the tricks and Marlon to deflect some bad press.

The second lesson is that MOST of these coupon dealers are whores. They will take the money. No questions asked. The chap on the radio who worked for one of them admitted that he is on 100% commission. Would he tell Marlon not to do the 5th, 6th ,7th deal if he makes $1,000 on each. Not likely. Would the deal company walk knowing full well that one of their many sprouting competitors would snap it up and make 50% for doing next to nothing? No likely either.

Of course that is a moot point because by his own account, Marlon was making serial mistakes until he woke up too late and then was contractually committed ( play sit-com laugh track). If it wasn't for the alt- media Marlon would be on his 75th deal ( $4000 worth of organic meat for $999), and Roseman and O'shea would be lobbying on behalf of him for the Order of Canada for feeding people quality meats during tough times.

The third lesson I suppose would be to stick with the larger coupon companies that have the resources and a verifiable history of refunding people when they get 'Butchered'.
This would have a self correcting effect in that they would go after the deal breaker to recoup their losses. It seems the biggest mistake Aubrey's made was to include the flagship outfit. This will ensure their bankruptcy.

So, lessons learned all around.......

Cheers-

[jonnyrosen]

They will give you your money back if you persist. Demand to speak to peter the manager. He and others will try to give you the royal run around. I threatened to sue. They just gave me money back last week. Even that was a hassle as they claimed they processed it but there was not money in their paypal account.

Do not let these guys rip you off.

be persistent. threaten to sue and you too will get your hard earned cash back.