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[Merged] laser eye surgery

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Poll: Mid twenties a good age to get it done?

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Nov 16, 2013
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hotsnacks wrote: Had PRK a few months ago, starting to wean myself off Hylo and I was recommended Refresh Tears or Systane Ultra.

Anybody here have a preference between the two? They are both at Costco.
Would you mind sharing the clinic and cost? I am looking at this as an option. I have -5 and -6 power.
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Jul 4, 2015
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vivmk20 wrote:
Dec 1st, 2018 10:51 pm
Would you mind sharing the clinic and cost? I am looking at this as an option. I have -5 and -6 power.
NVision, around $5,000. Super happy with results.

Thanks everyone for their help with the drops! I think I'll start with Refresh Tears and then use Systane Ultra as a backup. I won't be switching 100%, I'll use both Hylo and the new one and slowly make the transition.

My optometrist said not to switch off from Hylo until I was using drops less than 6x a day. I pretty much use less than that, but I don't mind keeping them moist.

I also have been on fish oil for years now! Don't plan on stopping.
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hotsnacks wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 5:43 pm
NVision, around $5,000. Super happy with results.

Thanks everyone for their help with the drops! I think I'll start with Refresh Tears and then use Systane Ultra as a backup. I won't be switching 100%, I'll use both Hylo and the new one and slowly make the transition.

My optometrist said not to switch off from Hylo until I was using drops less than 6x a day. I pretty much use less than that, but I don't mind keeping them moist.

I also have been on fish oil for years now! Don't plan on stopping.
Hydrasense has preservative-free bottles that use the same active ingredient as Hylo...much more economical pricing. Look into it. :)
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peanutz wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 9:32 pm
Hydrasense has preservative-free bottles that use the same active ingredient as Hylo...much more economical pricing. Look into it. :)
Will do! I assume this is a Shopper's Drug Mart item?

Also thanks for your help back in the summer when I was deciding! Sometimes I still can't believe I had any surgery at all. I also can't believe how many years I wore contacts before finally doing it.
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hotsnacks wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 10:16 pm
Will do! I assume this is a Shopper's Drug Mart item?

Also thanks for your help back in the summer when I was deciding! Sometimes I still can't believe I had any surgery at all. I also can't believe how many years I wore contacts before finally doing it.
Nahh thanks to anyone who posted anything helpful in this thread, yeah?

Yes, Shoppers Drug Mart stocks them; I've seen Hydrasense drops at Walmart and Metro as well. I tried them out - they don't have the stopper bottle style of Hylo (which drops a very controlled amount each time), it's more of a regular, simple plastic bottle that is squeezed...but I guess somehow they were able to manufacture a kind that also keeps the liquid inside sterile without the need for preservatives.
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Jan 5, 2012
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I just finished a consult at nvision. I'm basically - 9.0 in both eyes and am a PRK candidate. The doctor who did my eye exam did say however that ICL might be a better fit given the shape of my cornea, and that I have a higher risk of complications with PRK, particularly my night vision. I plan on entering law enforcement and don't want any flap-associated risks, no matter how small.

PRK was quoted at 4600 with mentions of discounts etc., ICL quoted at 8000. I hadn't read up on, or considered ICL before, and I genuinely feel like they weren't trying to upsell me, but that's a significant cost difference. Cost is a factor for me, but if ICL leads to that much better of an outcome, I'd highly consider it. I'm not trying to cheap out on my eyes, but I basically require this surgery to proceed in law enforcement. Does anyone have ICL stories they can share? Costs? The time frame for ICL is also higher at nvision, basically the surgeon would get to me in March. I called for consults at other places, and I'd like to get this process done asap (nvision said they could get me in for prk by Dec 17), but now I'm again filled with doubt because of the mention OF ICL.

They also didn't mention as smartaurface, but I assume the procedure they are talking about is transprk with smartsurface without me specifically clarifying?
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Dec 4, 2018
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laservue clinic in Montreal told me that they are using smartpulse/smartsurface technology with a customized 750rs software on a SchwindAmaris 500
I am not sure if that means that their system will have same tracking system as 750rs
do you think it's still better to travel to Toronto and do the surgery with nvision?
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Dec 17, 2009
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Endeav wrote:
Dec 4th, 2018 2:41 pm
I just finished a consult at nvision. I'm basically - 9.0 in both eyes and am a PRK candidate. The doctor who did my eye exam did say however that ICL might be a better fit given the shape of my cornea, and that I have a higher risk of complications with PRK, particularly my night vision. I plan on entering law enforcement and don't want any flap-associated risks, no matter how small.

PRK was quoted at 4600 with mentions of discounts etc., ICL quoted at 8000. I hadn't read up on, or considered ICL before, and I genuinely feel like they weren't trying to upsell me, but that's a significant cost difference. Cost is a factor for me, but if ICL leads to that much better of an outcome, I'd highly consider it. I'm not trying to cheap out on my eyes, but I basically require this surgery to proceed in law enforcement. Does anyone have ICL stories they can share? Costs? The time frame for ICL is also higher at nvision, basically the surgeon would get to me in March. I called for consults at other places, and I'd like to get this process done asap (nvision said they could get me in for prk by Dec 17), but now I'm again filled with doubt because of the mention OF ICL.

They also didn't mention as smartaurface, but I assume the procedure they are talking about is transprk with smartsurface without me specifically clarifying?
Can you share your result?
Went to MD lasik couple days ago, they said ICL is better for me and it costs $6200 for multi focus lenses. I am basically -10 and -11. The only concern I have is night driving.
Just wonder which surgery did you do and what do you feel after that
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Dec 17, 2009
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Hitnake wrote:
Oct 29th, 2018 4:53 pm
Does anyone know if there is a way to have an ICL procedure covered by the provincial health insurance for those that have very high myopia, high astigmatism, thin cornea. and can't fully correct their vision by traditional glasses and contacts?
Due to my high prescriptions, I've been having a lot of trouble with contacts and glasses as even a tiny misalignment in my frame would result in headaches and bad vision, same problem with contacts when a small rotation in toric contacts lead to blurry vision.
I was wondering given my special case, I could have my ophthalmologist suggest that ICL procedure is necessary in my case and thus have it covered and paid by the provincial health insurance. I live in Quebec btw.
Unless you have cataract. same case here in bc. Pls share your experience if you can make them pay for yours.
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Sep 5, 2014
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Richmond Hill, ON
Has anyone tried Uptown Eye Specialists? They are focused on both elective and non-elective eye surgeries. They use a procedure called Ultraview Lasik but i wasn't able to google any info on it. The place is almost like a full blown hospital at the one in Vaughan with hundreds of staffs. I figure if they do actual eye surgeries, they must be pretty knowledgeable.
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May 1, 2013
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Toronto
I was quoted $4,000 for the Advanced Custom Wavefront Lasik. Is this too much?

Does anyone have the $300 off coupon for LasikMD?

Much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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nikidd wrote:
Dec 5th, 2018 3:46 pm
laservue clinic in Montreal told me that they are using smartpulse/smartsurface technology with a customized 750rs software on a SchwindAmaris 500
All of the Schwind Amaris (500E, 750S, or 1050RS) lasers with the SmartSurfACE/SmartPulse upgrade basically perform identically. The 500E or the 750S is slightly slower than the 1050rs, but we're talking 60 seconds compared to 50 seconds for a treatment. The older VISX's used to be 3-4 minutes for a treatment which apparently caused the cornea to dry out and affected the accuracy of the treatment.

The key is that they've done the upgrade. If they've verified to you that they're doing SmartSurfACE PRK, they've done the SmartPulse upgrade, and their laser should have results identical to those in Toronto or Vancouver as discussed extensively in this thread. Earlier in this thread, a few people made inquiries and they had not done the upgrade, but that could have changed recently.
I am not sure if that means that their system will have same tracking system as 750rs
do you think it's still better to travel to Toronto and do the surgery with nvision?
The Laservue surgeons have been in the business a long time, and they've had the Schwind Amaris laser for a long time. So if they can offer you the option of SmartSurfACE, I wouldn't bother with Toronto/Vancouver unless there's something terribly unique about your case.
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Jan 5, 2012
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Brampton
tofubb wrote:
Dec 14th, 2018 8:45 pm
Can you share your result?
Went to MD lasik couple days ago, they said ICL is better for me and it costs $6200 for multi focus lenses. I am basically -10 and -11. The only concern I have is night driving.
Just wonder which surgery did you do and what do you feel after that
So I've learned a bit more since my post, and had a few more consultations. I went to TLC Mississauga, who didn't have an optometrist on site the day I went (why book me for a consult then...), and requested I come back in a week for another consult. In short, they felt like a LASIK Mill, felt very non-personal, and they did not know much about the specifics of my ICL inquiries. The optometrist I spoke to didn't know much about night vision outcomes for PRK and ICL, and their sales Rep at the end flat out said they don't do ICL for someone my age if PRK or Lasik is available. Actually, I spoke to Dr. Tayfour today at NVISION and he said Dr. Dean Smith at TLC Mississauga did ICL once, 10 years ago, and hasn't done any since, after the TLC person said Dr. Smith did their ICL procedures.

I met with Dr. Tayfour today, who as far as my research goes, owns the Lasik clinic in Windsor and was the first in Ontario doing Lasik at all. He's renown for cataract surgery and so it makes sense he does ICL at NVISION. I had a consult with Dr. Tayfour who also did a white-to-white measurement of my eyes today, though I haven't decided yet on ICL vs PRK. The white-to-white involved numbing drops and devices to clamp my eyes open while he placed a measuring decide on my eyes, measuring for ICL's later if I opt for them, which would happen February 2nd, and if I didn't get white-to-white measured today, he'd measure in February and do the surgery in March.

His opinion, which was a little different from my research, was that ICL would give the best outcome of course, but that he would do Lasik instead of PRK on someone with my prescription (roughly -9 each eye), due to issues of corneal scarring with PRK, though this I believe is because he's been in the field so long that his experience with the early generations of PRK probably did have those outcomes, and he hasn't done surgeries on the Schwind Amaris with Smartsurface platform.

More relevant is that my eyes have a keratometey value of 41D, whereas normal eyes are closer to 45. I saw papers and general agreement that going below 35D would have bad visual acuity outcomes. Dr. Tayfour said my post PRK keratometry would be 31, very far below the safe standard for good night vision acuity. I did see estimates of 0.7D of flattening per diopter of visual acuity correction, which instead puts me at around 34-35, but he's probably being conservative.

I'm scheduled to meet Dr. Machat on Monday for another consultation, and if he says I can do PRK, I do it on Dec 20. Dr. Tayfour did recommend I speak to Dr. Machat about night vision concerns, and any other PRK concerns I have. If my corneas were not flat, combined with my high RX, I would definitely have the PRK done, but I want Dr. Machat's opinion on what my night vision outcome will be, and if he recommends ICL, I'll be going that route.

I did mention the deal they have going on with LA fitness and refer a friend discount, I didnt name anyone and May, the advisor, dropped the price from 5100 to 4600 immediately.
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Oct 25, 2018
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I wouldn't do it until the doctors who do these surgeries will correct their own eyes and stop wearing glasses:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/06 ... &auto=webp

Its like going to a dentist with bad teeth lol

Check out Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, they almost always wearing glasses. Another good signal to do the surgery would be when they stop :)

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