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Are millenials getting the short end of the stick?

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Chickinvic wrote:
Aug 3rd, 2017 5:17 pm
Us Gen-Xers didn't have it easy either. Just suck it up and deal. We all have to.
I think this is about right.

Every generation complains about this sort of thing. 20 years ago that notion that new grads "wanted to be CEO by lunchtime" was commonly used. Prior to that, Gen X didn't trust anyone over 30, and prior to that the boomers were lazy hippies. Both of these cohorts are now showing up with different, more noble attributes assigned to them when they bucket people by age into "generations"... if only because those generations are now the ones doing the bucketing.

I think it's worth noting that the accusations levelled at each generation could actually have been right. When each generation gets older and achieves the majority of powerful positions, they change the narrative. But it's definitely plausible that we've been in decline for 60 years and that each generation really is more degenerate than the one that came before it... but that the conclusion won't play out in any of our lifetimes. There's certainly plenty of evidence to support that.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Aug 5th, 2017 8:36 am
I'm guessing you live in Toronto? Try moving to a different city....things aren't nearly as bad.

By the way, the millennials will have absolute animosity towards the baby boomer generation when all is said and done for screwing the world up so bad and leaving the kids to foot the bill. That climate change bill is mostly the fault of baby boomers. And you can bet your ass it's just getting started
Baby boomers may likely be fingered as the ones that were standing when the music stopped.

But I don't see others volunteering to give up regular car travel, vacations by air, air conditioning, globally-sourced fruits and vegetables, or products made in China (which indirectly means fewer environmental problems in North America). Unless it's because of lack of choice (i.e. no money to do these things). These are all things that have been very popular with most generations, and they were sustained by boomers. Who's going to volunteer to kill these things off when the boomers have retired?
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I am a Baby Boomer - I have 2 sons who are Millennials - the only short end of the stick they are getting is not getting the Defined Benefit Pension that I am privileged to receive.
Every generation whines that the generation before them got the last of the affordable houses.
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mbg wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 3:55 pm
Baby boomers may likely be fingered as the ones that were standing when the music stopped.

But I don't see others volunteering to give up regular car travel, vacations by air, air conditioning, globally-sourced fruits and vegetables, or products made in China (which indirectly means fewer environmental problems in North America). Unless it's because of lack of choice (i.e. no money to do these things). These are all things that have been very popular with most generations, and they were sustained by boomers. Who's going to volunteer to kill these things off when the boomers have retired?
You are 100% correct about the analogy of musical chairs. And also correct that it would be naive to think any other generation would have done differently if they were placed in the exact same circumstances as boomers. Regardless of this, the fact is the result of those selfish choices will be passed on to the millennials and their children, grand children, etc. We will be paying for your mistakes whether we like it or not. Unless if course in the off chance that our brilliant scientists devise an affordable method to stop the most harmful aspects of climate change from screwing over us and the millions of species that call earth their home. Buying homes and neoliberalism, globalization etc are the least of our worries. I've already accepted that the millennials generation won't live as well off as their parents in a traditional sense.
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Dumbbelldore wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 1:21 pm
Exactly. You wouldn't download a car, would you?
....yes? .... yea...yes i would. lol

but id probably pay the creators for it.
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Becks wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 12:51 pm
Why do Millenials think it is ok to get music for free?
For the same reasons that Gen Xers do? Millennials are certainly not the inventors of this technology, which was built to allow pirates to download free music, movies, porn, before the early crest of Millennials were even adults (I was 14 when I saw it.) It was Xers and Boomers. Thank you!

<the rest of my comments are not directed at Becks specifically>

Do you guys honestly believe children and young adults develop entitled attitudes and irresponsibility in a vaccuum? I can't tell you how frustrating it was, to be born into a household that emphasized working hard and earning good grades and other achievements...only to witness certain parents of my Millennial peers elbowing their way and arguing why their snot-nosed brats "deserved" better grades or entry into Gifted class, and other privileges. Thank you!

Non-Millennial adults of generational cohorts I won't name have also literally *bragged* about having special, expedited access to knee replacement surgeries, oncologist/hospital visit privileges while cutting in front of others scheduled ahead of them. Unearned benefits that they should at least be apologetic about, but no, they shamelessly displayed their selfishness as a badge of pride, just because they had a personal relationship with a doctor.

Not saying there aren't decent Boomers...but I think things are still pretty good and will stand to get better when we shed some of our societal dead weight... :D
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Becks wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 12:51 pm
Why do Millenials think it is ok to get music for free?
One of the more shameless things I hear about Millenials doing is sharing their Netflix and Spotify accounts with friends... even that isn't cheap enough, apparently.

I think many people across all generations need to answer a question of why they think their work should be paid highly and why their salaries should continue to go up when they don't want to pay highly for the work of others, nor for their costs to increase.

Something else we are going to have to come to terms with in society is that, more than the 1%er argument, it's largely the middle class that gets a leg up on the back of the lower class. Sure, the upper class makes more and more money by obliging... but at this point, many middle class demands can't be met without either (a) effective application of automation to eliminate jobs or (b) a low-paid lower class.

It will be interesting to see the extent to which Ontario's planned minimum wage increases motivate the implementation of (a) in lieu of (b). Millenials with education or work experience in in-demand fields will do fine. The others, not so much...
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konfusion666 wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 1:55 pm

I tend to disagree... you still need education / skills to work in Asia an English teacher and actually "make good money".
konfusion666 wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 1:56 pm
And there isn't. Which is how we know that he's wrong. ;)
Clearly you're ignorant of all the private English schools that have popped up in China and Korea over the past 10 years where many of the teachers they hire hold Russian passports and have never been to an actual English-speaking country :rolleyes:

But then again, this is RFD, the land where ignorant opinions are fact and facts are fake news.
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apnayloags wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 10:44 am
Why is having a mortgage being considered as an "achievement" here?
That's like being happy having NO FREEDOM at all.
Not like they bought the house with cash payment and its 100% theirs.

Life can go by just fine even on Rent. As long as you SPEND money on yourself. See the world, explore other countries etc.
Life is truly effed up when u can't leave the city and have to be forced to even work on stat holidays to afford your mortgage and interest payments, lol
Because interest rate is low and having a mortgage is the perfect way of making money using other people's money.

Think of this way, if you bought a house with 100% payment and the house price went up by 100%, you only made 100%. However, if you bought 5 houses with the same money but 20% down on each, you just made 500%. Sell 4 of them, you would have set for life. Of course, the reverse happens if house price goes down, but that never happens, right?
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Can't we just agree that it's better to judge people individually rather than groups of people arbitrarily defined as born between X and Y years?
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uber_shnitz wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 11:18 pm
Can't we just agree that it's better to judge people individually rather than groups of people arbitrarily defined as born between X and Y years?
I don't think the purpose is to judge, but to analyze social movements, which requires you to group people up and find common traits.

Asimov once said that while one cannot foresee the actions of a particular individual, the laws of statistics as applied to large groups of people could predict the general flow of future events.
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whythiskolaveriman wrote:
Aug 3rd, 2017 5:23 pm
No level of government did anything to help first time Canadian home buyers. They put a 15% foreign buyer tax, which is not enough to deter foreign buyers. All it does is put that money in the pockets of the government. It has caused a slight decrease in price temporarily, because it forced more people to delay buying a house and have time to see how the market is going to be effected, but in the long run, prices will continue going up. The politicians want house prices to increase because it is what is keeping the Canadian economy together, and they are also homeowners themselves. If they truly wanted to stop the increase in house prices, they would have put a meaningful tax rate, such as 20-25%. They knew what they were doing when they picked 15%. They could have also done something about domestic speculators, for example raising the capital gains tax, or putting a limit on how many houses one can own (whichever would be more feasible), yet they chose not to. What is comical (albeit more sad) is that people hailed them for it and will give them their votes again.




I beg to differ. The reason that the current system is still in place is precisely due to people erroneously thinking that success is determined by hard work. Otherwise it would make no logical sense for people to continue worshipping the same celebrities/athletes, and continue voting for the same leaders and conforming to the same system. So people DO believe this, and they also believe the lie that liberty/freedom is more valuable than equal opportunity. It is really simple logic: if something exists, there is a reason that it exists. The world is the way it is because people truly believe what they believe. The system is in power because it has successfully sold false hope to people. People conform because they TRULY believe that they too can achieve the American dream (even though in practice only a small % of the population will experience it). People LITERALLY believe that this is the BEST possible system. That is why they conform to it and are happy to conform to it.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
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It's a huge misconception that success is achieved through hard work. That is some nonsense that is peddled out there to keep those who are without motivated. It's all bullshit. There are plenty of people who are successful who are hard workers but it's all about luck and privilege which can be one in the same.

Don't work hard, work smart.
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JayLove06 wrote:
Aug 7th, 2017 4:03 am
It's a huge misconception that success is achieved through hard work. That is some nonsense that is peddled out there to keep those who are without motivated. It's all bullshit. There are plenty of people who are successful who are hard workers but it's all about luck and privilege which can be one in the same.

Don't work hard, work smart.
What does "work smart" has anything to do with "luck and privilege"? You contradict yourself.
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mbg wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 3:39 pm
I think this is about right.

Every generation complains about this sort of thing. 20 years ago that notion that new grads "wanted to be CEO by lunchtime" was commonly used. Prior to that, Gen X didn't trust anyone over 30, and prior to that the boomers were lazy hippies. Both of these cohorts are now showing up with different, more noble attributes assigned to them when they bucket people by age into "generations"... if only because those generations are now the ones doing the bucketing.

I think it's worth noting that the accusations levelled at each generation could actually have been right. When each generation gets older and achieves the majority of powerful positions, they change the narrative. But it's definitely plausible that we've been in decline for 60 years and that each generation really is more degenerate than the one that came before it... but that the conclusion won't play out in any of our lifetimes. There's certainly plenty of evidence to support that.
mbg wrote:
Aug 6th, 2017 3:55 pm
Baby boomers may likely be fingered as the ones that were standing when the music stopped.

But I don't see others volunteering to give up regular car travel, vacations by air, air conditioning, globally-sourced fruits and vegetables, or products made in China (which indirectly means fewer environmental problems in North America). Unless it's because of lack of choice (i.e. no money to do these things). These are all things that have been very popular with most generations, and they were sustained by boomers. Who's going to volunteer to kill these things off when the boomers have retired?
Can't give an upvote but well said.
Each generation complains about the one before but in fact, they have what they have because of the generations before....and it is always better than the generation before.
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Archanfel wrote:
Aug 7th, 2017 9:24 am
What does "work smart" has anything to do with "luck and privilege"? You contradict yourself.
Take advantage of the privileges you are afforded.

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