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My poor little buddy

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My poor little buddy

My little 10lb Papillon/Chihuahua mix became ill approximately 5 months ago.

She stopped eating, threw up constantly, lost 3lbs or more.

The first vet did blood work and all signs pointed to gastritis. We put her on a steroid. I keep asking the vet questions about her health, she was slow at getting better, the vet didn't want to be bothered to really help her health and told me I should find another vet.

I then brought her to an emergency clinic, they wanted a thousand dollars up front for the ultrasound, I felt strange about the guy and told him I would think about it.

I ended up going to an older vet, we did a fecal sample that came back fine, we cleaned her teeth, we tried a few things, she has recovered almost completely.

For months now she still licks her lips a lot and mornings and evenings she appears nauseous, maybe every other month she actually vomits. I feed her a high quality canned dog food, a teaspoon an hour, throughout the day until she's had the recommended amount to eat, around 1- 1 1/2 cups.

Every vet I've been to seems to just shrug, they can send me to the USA for specialist tests but I don't even have a passport.

Everything I read online is always missing a symptom or has a symptom listed that she doesn't have, her blood and fecal samples came back fine.

Before you say "go see a vet", please remember I have seen 3 so far, I'm specifically looking for your input here.

Can anyone speculate on what might be causing this? She's fine most of the time, just licks her lips a lot, has bad breath around those times, some signs of nausea in the morning and evening, her blood and fecal samples were good.

Ideas?
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Does sound like gastritis or small stomach ulcer. You can buy famotidine inexpensively off Amazon or Costco, and try giving 0.25 to 0.5 mg per pound (0.5 to 1.0 mg/kg) every 12 to 24 hours. I don't know why vet would give steroid for gastritis, it actually makes gastritis worse.
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Oct 21st, 2017 9:03 am
Does sound like gastritis or small stomach ulcer. You can buy famotidine inexpensively off Amazon or Costco, and try giving 0.25 to 0.5 mg per pound (0.5 to 1.0 mg/kg) every 12 to 24 hours. I don't know why vet would give steroid for gastritis, it actually makes gastritis worse.
I am pretty disappointed in the vets I have seen, the first one wasnt bad but as soon as Miso didnt get better right away, he basically gave up, didnt want to talk about other options and when I would ask "could it be this? could it be that?", he seemed annoyed, I think he just preferred easy concerns that made him money. The emergency room vet seemed like a sleazy used car salesman and the older vet I am with now is half retired, he seems to mean well and want to help but he doesn't seem to want to spend too much time figuring out whats going on either.

I hate bringing up money, because I would spend any amount to make sure Miso is ok, but I have spent easily $1000 and feel like going to the vet is just a money grab at this point.
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Oct 21st, 2017 9:18 am
I am pretty disappointed in the vets I have seen, the first one wasnt bad but as soon as Miso didnt get better right away, he basically gave up, didnt want to talk about other options and when I would ask "could it be this? could it be that?", he seemed annoyed, I think he just preferred easy concerns that made him money. The emergency room vet seemed like a sleazy used car salesman and the older vet I am with now is half retired, he seems to mean well and want to help but he doesn't seem to want to spend too much time figuring out whats going on either.

I hate bringing up money, because I would spend any amount to make sure Miso is ok, but I have spent easily $1000 and feel like going to the vet is just a money grab at this point.
I agree- try the famotidine for a month and see if it's helping. It cuts down stomach acid. If Miso seems better continue for about 3 months.
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Bull Dog wrote:
Oct 21st, 2017 9:46 am
I agree- try the famotidine for a month and see if it's helping. It cuts down stomach acid. If Miso seems better continue for about 3 months.
Awesome, I will. Thank you!
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Did the vet check for a kidney infection or an infection in general? I know there was an ultrasound, but I can tell you from experience that a kidney infection in particular isn't always easily seen. Was there a urine sample taken? I know you don't want to go to the vet again, but a urine sample might be a good idea.

I'm the last person to defend vets. They're fine when nothing's wrong, but when there is, vets rarely look outside the box nor see beyond the obvious.

Also, possibly your dog has a serious food allergy. You could try feeding nothing but a specific protein -- like boiled chicken or turkey something like that -- and see if she still vomits. I mean *nothing* but the boiled chicken. And then if that doesn't work, try it with a different protein. Like beef or whatever. Or lamb.
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Thanks for the reply, we did do a urine sample as well and it came back totally healthy.

Food allergy is something I keep in mind though
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Sounds gastric for sure, based on the morning incidents of licking lips ect

Pet ownership and vet care is so expensive. I feel your pain in not knowing what to do next.
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Oct 22nd, 2017 10:27 am
Sounds gastric for sure, based on the morning incidents of licking lips ect

Pet ownership and vet care is so expensive. I feel your pain in not knowing what to do next.
And like I said earlier, I would gladly pay anything to make sure Miso is healthy and ok but the system seems setup to make money, not produce results.
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CauseBurn wrote:
Oct 22nd, 2017 2:58 pm
And like I said earlier, I would gladly pay anything to make sure Miso is healthy and ok but the system seems setup to make money, not produce results.
You need to find a vet & clinic youewncomforfable with. You can't paint every vet with the same brush.
I had an incredible client relationship with my vet Toronto. I was able to set my expectations up with her and she was fantastic; we made decisions together and we researched topics we weren't comfortable with. I always knew my options, and never rushed into decisions. You need to remember that you're the client; you need to tell them you're not understanding or comfortable with how things are being handled. You need to communicate with them. Ask questions.
Wh why why why why ... research and understanding is so important.
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You need to find a vet & clinic youewncomforfable with. You can't paint every vet with the same brush.
I had an incredible client relationship with my vet Toronto. I was able to set my expectations up with her and she was fantastic; we made decisions together and we researched topics we weren't comfortable with. I always knew my options, and never rushed into decisions. You need to remember that you're the client; you need to tell them you're not understanding or comfortable with how things are being handled. You need to communicate with them. Ask questions.
Wh why why why why ... research and understanding is so important.
I agree, check my earlier posts, I was turned away because I asked questions.

I understand its a business, gotta make that buck no matter what, am I right guys?, but indifference, apathy and calculated focus on money over all, is vomit inducing.

I called my vet this morning, he mentioned the ultrasound option again, $600+, I said I had heard about famotidine, he paused and said "well that might work too", I then said "do u recommend that?" and he said "I dunno, let me know if you want to do the ultra sound alright, have a nice day".

Thats the 3rd vet ive been to *LOL*

I then called the second vet I went to, the vet there said he hadnt seen me in too long (a month) and I would have to bring Miso in for an inspection. This isnt any crazy medical advice I was asking for, its over the counter medicine and by all accounts its highly safe, I just wanted to know if they had experience with it, if they thought it was a good option, they refused to say anything unless I forked over the money for a visit first.

"Its just business" is a crap excuse, I get it, we all get it.
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I would go with the ultrasound option at this point, given that the myriad of tests have come back negative. If the tests are showing no signs of infection, then perhaps there's a blockage or something else that can't be detected with blood/urine/fecal tests.

Ultrasound/xrays would help identify (if any) issues that can only be visually detected.
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CauseBurn wrote:
Oct 23rd, 2017 12:13 pm
I agree, check my earlier posts, I was turned away because I asked questions.

I understand its a business, gotta make that buck no matter what, am I right guys?, but indifference, apathy and calculated focus on money over all, is vomit inducing.

I called my vet this morning, he mentioned the ultrasound option again, $600+, I said I had heard about famotidine, he paused and said "well that might work too", I then said "do u recommend that?" and he said "I dunno, let me know if you want to do the ultra sound alright, have a nice day".

Thats the 3rd vet ive been to *LOL*

I then called the second vet I went to, the vet there said he hadnt seen me in too long (a month) and I would have to bring Miso in for an inspection. This isnt any crazy medical advice I was asking for, its over the counter medicine and by all accounts its highly safe, I just wanted to know if they had experience with it, if they thought it was a good option, they refused to say anything unless I forked over the money for a visit first.

"Its just business" is a crap excuse, I get it, we all get it.
#1, a doctor can't give medical advice over the phone.
#2, if you feel you're not being given options, find a new vet.
#3, you're lucky the vet even spoke with you over th phone. Have you ever heard of a medical doctor giving medical advice over the phone?

And I do agree with the advice you've received; An ultrasound is the only way to figure out what's going on internally. Why would you want to guess and diagnose and then administer your dog drugs that may or may not be appropriate?
I have never ever heard of a doctor giving medical advice over genohine - the legality behind it would be outstanding. Use your brain.
There's a very straight forward science based answer to why they won't give you medical advice over the phone! Cmon ...

No doctors wants to guess on internal issues. If your dog does have reflex (as an example) you won't want to give OTC meds long term. It can cause liver damage, blood thinning ... but Dr Interweb told you that, right?

I love my dogs more than I love myself, but be real.
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I already said "money always comes before anything else", we all know how our system is setup, "gouge gouge gouge", "everyone for themselves", I fully understand your stance.

Some people dont like the way things are, others cant imagine anything different and dont like people pointing out problems.

I understand you like the way things are and cant comprehend anything different, dont insult people and clog my thread with your posts, just understand that different people approach things differently and move on with your life.

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