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Neighbour has built a room and housing residents at the back of a carport in their house without a building permit.

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Neighbour has built a room and housing residents at the back of a carport in their house without a building permit.

I was wondering if I could possibly report them to the Toronto building permit office.

There's a kitchen, bathroom, and living space and I believe there are two people living there.

Would there be any penalties that they would have to face upon inspection?
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natalka wrote: If you can get to a phone, go for it.
What if they're taking all the living stuff out, covering the signs of plumbing/electrical work that has been done, and getting rid of all the kitchen cabinets and toilet/washroom stuff and trying to make it look like a regular extension of the carport?

This room is located at the back of their carport with the front door in the backyard.
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And why do you care?
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Kiteak wrote: trying to make it look like a regular extension of the carport?
That may also require a permit.
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jesguerra wrote: how does this directly impact your life?
Because this is Canada and we have societal rules and norms unlike third world countries.
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Cough wrote: Because this is Canada and we have societal rules and norms unlike third world countries.
So let's look over the fence and tattletale cause you're breaking the rules and that angers me? Do you also report speeding vehicles to the authorities as well?
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jesguerra wrote: how does this directly impact your life?
There is a potential to impact his life.
Increase in number of parked cars on the street.
The addition very close to the fence
Tenants hanging out by the fence (and in turn potential for noise, garbage, foot traffic).
Potential issues with water drainage
The addition too close to the property
Decrease in curb appeal of the neighbouring property since owner occupied properties are often better maintained than rentals

Don't know if that is the case here, but there is a possibility.
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How do you know that a building permit wasn't taken out? Was it because you didn't see the little green/white card in the window?
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Those are all very possible issues however are any of them currently causing a real issue in his life right now? My guess is properly not. Maybe there is a valid reason for this living area or maybe there is a permit?

Anyways If its currently not causing issues in your life and there is no real safety issue then leave it alone. There is no reason to complain because 1 day you may not be doing something 100% by the books and somebody could call you in & I'm sure you would not like that either.

Homerhomer wrote: There is a potential to impact his life.
Increase in number of parked cars on the street.
The addition very close to the fence
Tenants hanging out by the fence (and in turn potential for noise, garbage, foot traffic).
Potential issues with water drainage
The addition too close to the property
Decrease in curb appeal of the neighbouring property since owner occupied properties are often better maintained than rentals

Don't know if that is the case here, but there is a possibility.
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sickcars wrote: Those are all very possible issues however are any of them currently causing a real issue in his life right now? My guess is properly not. Maybe there is a valid reason for this living area or maybe there is a permit?

Anyways If its currently not causing issues in your life and there is no real safety issue then leave it alone. There is no reason to complain because 1 day you may not be doing something 100% by the books and somebody could call you in & I'm sure you would not like that either.
BIG difference between a small bylaw infraction and an illegal apartment in the garage. On a scale of small fines to "tear it down and big fines" this is pretty high up there.

I'm all for letting neighbours (and me) do whatever but an illegal residence with no building permits could cause all sorts of issues we don't even know about. I'd call it in, 100%.
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Calling it in is a personal decision.

Over the years as a home owner, I have tended to overlook / turn a blind eye to a lot of stuff that goes on in my Neighbourhood... Unless there is true inconvenience to me, or outright danger.

I would probably not care too much about how many people are living under one roof... As long as say they kept all their cars on their own driveway and not clogging up the street. I would care less if they parked on their own lawn or did not cut their grass, or painted their house some outrageous color. These can be bylaw infractions, but Cosmetic. An eyesore is a PITA, but at the same time I believe in individual rights.

I would care about any sort of addition / building structure if I was worried about how it might impact my own property... Say a change in grading / or if I was an immediate neighbour (either side or behind) and wondering if their electrical is up to code. The danger of Fire or Flood is a real concern. Lots of time DIYers don't invest in an Electrician, and their self taught work is HORRENDOUS (check out any Mike Holmes show).

Electrical, Ground Slope & Property Line adherence are HUGE Issues when it comes to YOUR RIGHTS & SAFETY.

If you think those might be a concern with this add on... Then ya call City Hall to make inquiries to see if these folks ever got any sort of permits to do the work. If no, trust me, city hall will send out an Inspector.

PS ... I don't see this as being an Us vs Them thing in regards to Canadian Culture ... As others here have expressed (actually those comments border on offensive) I see it as a homeowner not being informed about what is required (lots of NEW Homeowners don't have a clue on how stuff works). OR someone blatantly choosing to skip the necessary Govt Paperwork. Lol, lots of dickheads in that category including Canadians born here.
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PointsHubby wrote: Calling it in is a personal decision.

Over the years as a home owner, I have tended to overlook / turn a blind eye to a lot of stuff that goes on in my Neighbourhood... Unless there is true inconvenience to me, or outright danger.

I would probably not care too much about how many people are living under one roof... As long as say they kept all their cars on their own driveway and not clogging up the street. I would care less if they parked on their own lawn or did not cut their grass, or painted their house some outrageous color. These can be bylaw infractions, but Cosmetic. An eyesore is a PITA, but at the same time I believe in individual rights.

I would care about any sort of addition / building structure if I was worried about how it might impact my own property... Say a change in grading / or if I was an immediate neighbour (either side or behind) and wondering if their electrical is up to code. The danger of Fire or Flood is a real concern. Lots of time DIYers don't invest in an Electrician, and their self taught work is HORRENDOUS (check out any Mike Holmes show).

Electrical, Ground Slope & Property Line adherence are HUGE Issues when it comes to YOUR RIGHTS & SAFETY.

If you think those might be a concern with this add on... Then ya call City Hall to make inquiries to see if these folks ever got any sort of permits to do the work. If no, trust me, city hall will send out an Inspector.

PS ... I don't see this as being an Us vs Them thing in regards to Canadian Culture ... As others here have expressed (actually those comments border on offensive) I see it as a homeowner not being informed about what is required (lots of NEW Homeowners don't have a clue on how stuff works). OR someone blatantly choosing to skip the necessary Govt Paperwork. Lol, lots of dickheads in that category including Canadians born here.
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