network gurus - backup advice (business level)

[siriuskao]

Just so I know you aren't a complete idiot, tell me how you can recover lost files (ie: data backup) using a NAS.

take daily/weekly/monthly snapshots (likely not available on low end NAS appliances). You don't necessarily need tapes for backup - it all depends on your requirement (available $$$, amount of data, retention requirement, SPEED).

IMHO both solution (disk-based vs tape) complement each other.

Please check EMC's website for further information.

[cwb27]

First off, please stop spreading mis-information about tapes being prone to physical damage. Put them into a turtle shell storage case and they are way more resilient to any physical damage a hard disk can take. Also, what happens when your NAS dies? ie: you are using raid 5 and 2 disks die at the same time. All your "backups" are gone.

I'll ask again. What is your experience in Information Technology?

At least 3 times I've asked this and you have yet to answer.

[Luckyinfil]

take daily/weekly/monthly snapshots (likely not available on low end NAS appliances). You don't necessarily need tapes for backup - it all depends on your requirement (available $$$, amount of data, retention requirement, SPEED).

IMHO both solution (disk-based vs tape) complement each other.

Please check EMC's website for further information.

You can do backups on any media, but tapes are the cheapest.

[Luckyinfil]

I'll ask again. What is your experience in Information Technology?

At least 3 times I've asked this and you have yet to answer.

Does it matter? You've clearly shown that you do not understand the difference between fault-tolerance and data backup.

How about this: You post your pay stub and I'll post mine.

[Zero1]

How similar are Server 2000 and 2003? Is it a complete change from its predecessor? Like if we changed everything and decided to go 03 (better hardware etc..) would we expect a learning curve or is it just security features and such that have been added?

[deep]

I'll ask again. What is your experience in Information Technology?

At least 3 times I've asked this and you have yet to answer.

Does it matter? You've clearly shown that you do not understand the difference between fault-tolerance and data backup.

How about this: You post your pay stub and I'll post mine.

Go find a room and slap it out like little girls. You two have completely ruined the OP's chance of getting any useful information from this thread.

[Luckyinfil]

How similar are Server 2000 and 2003? Is it a complete change from its predecessor? Like if we changed everything and decided to go 03 (better hardware etc..) would we expect a learning curve or is it just security features and such that have been added?

It's mostly a Kernel change with some added security features.

[OctaneChicken]

How similar are Server 2000 and 2003? Is it a complete change from its predecessor? Like if we changed everything and decided to go 03 (better hardware etc..) would we expect a learning curve or is it just security features and such that have been added?

Why not just go to 2008 server?

I found going from 2000 to 2003 to be pretty painless. Then from 2003 to 2008 was not so bad either, although MS likes to move things around a bit. You should be able to go to 2008 with little or no problems, and a bit of learning. If you can't find a certian thing in 2008 that was in 2000 just google it and there should be a treasure trove of information. And with the Hyper-V in 2008, you can virtualize some servers if you wanted to.

[cwb27]

Does it matter? You've clearly shown that you do not understand the difference between fault-tolerance and data backup.

How about this: You post your pay stub and I'll post mine.

Ohhhh baby, reference my signature...! I love RFD. At the end of it all, the "I make more than you, ergo, I win." always comes out.

No but really, what do you do? All you've clearly shown thus far is your arrogance.

[Luckyinfil]

Why not just go to 2008 server?

I found going from 2000 to 2003 to be pretty painless. Then from 2003 to 2008 was not so bad either, although MS likes to move things around a bit. You should be able to go to 2008 with little or no problems, and a bit of learning. If you can't find a certian thing in 2008 that was in 2000 just google it and there should be a treasure trove of information. And with the Hyper-V in 2008, you can virtualize some servers if you wanted to.

How does licensing for SCVMM work? Similar to Vcenter?

[Luckyinfil]

Ohhhh baby, reference my signature...! I love RFD. At the end of it all, the "I make more than you, ergo, I win." always comes out.

No but really, what do you do? All you've clearly shown thus far is your arrogance.

Do you work for this company?

[cwb27]

How similar are Server 2000 and 2003? Is it a complete change from its predecessor? Like if we changed everything and decided to go 03 (better hardware etc..) would we expect a learning curve or is it just security features and such that have been added?

Is your organization running Exchange, SQL or any apps sensitive to an AD schema change? You need to look at everything, right from the client computers to your backups (zing!).

It's mostly a Kernel change with some added security features.

Again, what do you do in IT?

Why not just go to 2008 server?

I found going from 2000 to 2003 to be pretty painless. Then from 2003 to 2008 was not so bad either, although MS likes to move things around a bit. You should be able to go to 2008 with little or no problems, and a bit of learning. If you can't find a certian thing in 2008 that was in 2000 just google it and there should be a treasure trove of information. And with the Hyper-V in 2008, you can virtualize some servers if you wanted to.

The OPs AD environment needs to be understood before one can suggest a jump from 2000 to 2k8. I've never done a jump like this skipping Server 2003, without researching it may not even possible due to significant changes in AD schema, not to mention any SQL or MS Exchange services in place.

[Zero1]

No actually exchange nor SQL is in effect. We don't use those and I don't believe he even knows how to install it.

[cwb27]

No actually exchange nor SQL is in effect. We don't use those and I don't believe he even knows how to install it.

What are your client workstations? Anything Pre-Windows 2000 logging on? If yes, you're running a Windows NT domain. And just to add do this, if you're going to be changing your authentication system and have Pre-Win2k machines you're going to need to get those phased out first as AD does not support Win98, WinME, WinNT.

Either way, you're looking at some serious upgrades to your underlying domain infrastrucure.

[Zero1]

What are your client workstations? Anything Pre-Windows 2000 logging on? If yes, you're running a Windows NT domain.

Either way, you're looking at some serious upgrades to your underlying domain infrastrucure.

No we aren't running NT domain. What was gone the moment he added windows 7 machines. I think i stated that previously. All Xp and above.