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Jan 27th, 2014 2:53 pm
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Jan 27th, 2014 3:03 pm
Think your $55k number is a bit high... Try these brackets instead.Aznsilvrboy wrote: ↑According to this calculator http://simpletax.ca/calculator it should be about $55k.
No investments, no RRSP. Just CPP, EI, and company health insurance of about $50 a month. Does anyone actually get that much? I'm just wondering because before I moved to the U.S for work, people always said how taxes in the U.S are lower but my net income is less than that even though I make slightly more (gross). Instead of CPP and EI, I get deducted Federal/State income tax, Social Security Tax, and health insurance (medicare + company plan).
Jan 27th, 2014 3:22 pm
How is it a myth? No job in Canada still get healthcaresunshinemoonlight13 wrote: ↑Another myth is the so called 'superior free Canadian healthcare'.
Jan 27th, 2014 3:28 pm
Its not superior to the rest of the world. In terms of equipment and skill, its argued you get better care when you pay for it in the states with some hospitals.
Jan 27th, 2014 3:34 pm
And none of that ever happens in the profit driven US lol. No instead you have someone who has never been to med school who works at an HMO telling you that you don't really need the treatment for cancer that your doctor has just suggested so they aren't going to pay for it. And now you have a choice. Shell out $100,000s or possibly die. Sorry I will take our system faults and all. No system is perfect.sunshinemoonlight13 wrote: ↑Its not superior to the rest of the world. In terms of equipment and skill, its argued you get better care when you pay for it in the states with some hospitals.
In terms of the government covering almost all costs involved in healthcare including medication, that would be places like the UK. Infact, even non-citizens can get healthcare and why people are known to abuse the system. Thats a true socialized healthcare over there. Or places like Hong Kong that have a similar system to the UK.
As for Canadian healthcare? Free? Not really. Wait times are bad. Hospital staff prioritize. You pay for your own medicine bills. News of hospitals not washing equipment properly or reusing syringes. Its ridiculous actually for a developed nation.
Jan 27th, 2014 3:44 pm
Its not actually as bad as you make it out to be.Momof3cuties wrote: ↑And none of that ever happens in the profit driven US lol. No instead you have someone who has never been to med school who works at an HMO telling you that you don't really need the treatment for cancer that your doctor has just suggested so they aren't going to pay for it. And now you have a choice. Shell out $100,000s or possibly die. Sorry I will take our system faults and all. No system is perfect.
Jan 27th, 2014 3:52 pm
Yep. I always get reminded of a story that my patient told me when I was working as a RN. He said that he paid $150,000 for a major procedure + hospital stay in the states.Momof3cuties wrote: ↑And none of that ever happens in the profit driven US lol. No instead you have someone who has never been to med school who works at an HMO telling you that you don't really need the treatment for cancer that your doctor has just suggested so they aren't going to pay for it. And now you have a choice. Shell out $100,000s or possibly die. Sorry I will take our system faults and all. No system is perfect.
Jan 27th, 2014 7:23 pm
You are a very confused personsunshinemoonlight13 wrote: ↑Its not superior to the rest of the world. In terms of equipment and skill, its argued you get better care when you pay for it in the states with some hospitals.
In terms of the government covering almost all costs involved in healthcare including medication, that would be places like the UK. Infact, even non-citizens can get healthcare and why people are known to abuse the system. Thats a true socialized healthcare over there. Or places like Hong Kong that have a similar system to the UK.
As for Canadian healthcare? Free? Not really. Wait times are bad. Hospital staff prioritize. You pay for your own medicine bills. News of hospitals not washing equipment properly or reusing syringes. Its ridiculous actually for a developed nation.
Jan 27th, 2014 7:36 pm
I've used healthcare in hong Kong in both private and public and the states as well because I'm a HK permenant resident, had a us green card with health insurance and also have had family members used all the systems extensivelysunshinemoonlight13 wrote: ↑Its not actually as bad as you make it out to be.
If you work, you may have health coverage from work. Or you can pay for private healthcare insurance. You don't need to 'shell out $100Gs' every time you get sick. Most of those stories are people who don't buy insurance and got stick. Its a shame but its what it is. Its a capitalistic free economy. This is how it works. If you rent a car and you opt out of the optional full coverage, and you total the car, you pay for it. If you had insurance coverage paid, you lose at max the deductible.
And its the doctors that still decide whether someone should get treatment. Actually, the argument is that insurance providers pressure doctors into putting a quota on their recommendations. Its ultimately an MD that gets to make decisions of whether someone should get healthcare or not. What you said is simply incorrect.
In Hong Kong, they have both government healthcare and private healthcare. You can go both routes. Superior to Canada again in this front.
The fact is the Canadian healthcare system is not the superior solution people make it out to be. Hardly. Actually, you'd find that with the Canadian healthcare, they too will basically send you away or at the back of the line because they have to prioritize their resources also while the hospitals are understaffed and underfunded. And whats with the news of hospital staff reusing syringes? I mean come on now. How did they even get a nursing degree with those sorts of practices?
Jan 27th, 2014 8:14 pm
Jan 27th, 2014 10:33 pm
I think you are. You are losing focus. What is this? The topic hit a heart string and you're crying your heart out over the topic?
Wow, thanks for your personal report that Canadian doctors actually know how to heal people and actually do agree to provide health care services that the taxpayers have paid for. Who would have thought right? I mean, he got an x-ray and everything... just wow.gilboman wrote: ↑I've used healthcare in hong Kong in both private and public and the states as well because I'm a HK permenant resident, had a us green card with health insurance and also have had family members used all the systems extensively
Nobody is saying canadas public system is superior or even comparable to the top notch private facilities because it isn't even close. At the same time, its largely sufficient and you do receive care in a timely manner. The elective stuff does take longer than the top private facilities..but for "free" the care you receive is superior to Hkg or the us for an average person.
Myself and relatives always use private in Hkg or us because the public ones are truly horrid if available as well, in Canada not so. My parents could easily goto private care in states or Asia but have no hesitation to be treated here and no, its not due to cost.
My mom had a mammogram that was clear but she felt a small lump that she wanted further examined, doctor said it was nth but can go see the specialist for piece of mind. This would never be allowed under our private plan in the states. She saw specialist in 3 days because she had to go on a trip in a week, they did a pin biopsy and got results in a day and needed to do a bigger sample and got her in next day. She was able to go on her trip and they called her with the results.
My dad shattered his wrist on a fall in ottaw at night, went to hospital and they called in the orthopedic surgeon, anesthesiologist and the head emergency room doctor to do reduction and we were out in 3 hrs, and went to follow up in Toronto and they provided all records and CD images of xray voluntarily for us. My dad received prompt care in Toronto for the 8 week followup with weekly adjustment from the orthopedic specialist as well.
In hong Kong even at a paying private hospital I've been several times and wont get such great care and in states? Goto insurance assigned doctor and wait and let them coordinate coverage while I wait.
No we are not on par with mayo clinic here but it is far from being inferior to healthcare available to paying let alone free healthcare in us or Hkg.
You're not seeing the big picture. That wasnt the point.But more appalling than your complete lack of understanding is you equate personal illness and health problems to renting a car for people who do not have coverage in other countries. Renting a car is voluntary and discretionary along with the insurance. Nobody chooses to be sick or not be able to afford adequate coverage and face the reality of not being able to treat very treatable ailments just because they happen to be poor.
Jan 27th, 2014 10:37 pm
Who is complaining the healthcare is bad here? Nobody. The point is the Canadian healthcare system, that is often put on a pedestal, is not the perfect system people make out to be and that was the point. There is no perfect health care system anywhere, certainly not in canada, hence another 'myth' as per the original discussion leading up to the off-tangent contentions. So the point you just made, along with the other poster, is simply moot yapping away about something else because the topic pulled some emotional heartstring.laptop-tech wrote: ↑Those complaining about the healthcare they get in Canada for "free" (paid through taxes) should experience the "free" (also paid by taxes) quality care of a 3rd world country, before they decide how "bad" it is here.
I was born and raised in Brazil, and public hospitals there often run out of gauze. There are endless cases where people die waiting for assistance, after sitting in the aisles with a bullet in their heads for 28 hours and not even a nurse came to check them. Patients sit on the floor, die and the hospital staff only notices them after a day or so (of them being dead!). Doctors get paid by the government and many of them have 2-3 jobs in other private hospitals, so they choose to simply not show up 4 out of the 5 days they are on schedule, so if another doctor does the same in the same hospital we may have a fairly big hospital with nurses and technician but no surgeons or any specialists.
The canadian system is far from perfect, but in the 17 years I have been here I always got proper care when I needed. Friends of mine had the same experience. Not everyone likes to wait for an exam, but I have never heard of people in Canada dying without assistance at least.
Jan 28th, 2014 10:00 am
Nobody here claimed it was superior to anything. You're the one that inserted that statement into this thread. In any debates or arguments about the Canadian health care system that I've read, overheard or had personally this claim about being superior to the rest of the world has never even remotely come up. You've built this up in your mind. Go back and read gilboman's post carefully. Take the time to comprehend it if that is at all possible for you.sunshinemoonlight13 wrote: ↑I said the Canadian healthcare is not superior to the rest of the world. You can quote me on that line.
Jan 28th, 2014 10:51 am
You don't comprehend situations very well do you? Why don't you start from the beginning and work your way down. Take your time. Breath a little.Jor wrote: ↑Nobody here claimed it was superior to anything. You're the one that inserted that statement into this thread. In any debates or arguments about the Canadian health care system that I've read, overheard or had personally this claim about being superior to the rest of the world has never even remotely come up. You've built this up in your mind. Go back and read gilboman's post carefully. Take the time to comprehend it if that is at all possible for you.
One more tip for you - when someone says they'll take our version of health care over the American (or any other) system, it doesn't mean they feel that the level of care is superior. It's really that simple.
Jan 28th, 2014 11:58 am
We don't have free healthcare here. It is not user-pay but it is most definitely not free. I think it is the universality of our healthcare (all income levels can access relatively similar levels of service without discrimination by ability to pay - notwithstanding socioeconomic barriers to access) is what appeals to many when they trumpet the Canadian system, not the superiority of the healthcare system.sunshinemoonlight13 wrote: ↑You don't comprehend situations very well do you? Why don't you start from the beginning and work your way down. Take your time. Breath a little.
I said the healthcare system here is not superior originally. Are you with me? Right, so thats what I said. So do you agree or not? It seems to me they actually agree with that original statement. It is not perfect. Great. Then they go off a tangent and spew out a bunch of emotional stuff about how free healthcare is great and this and that. And then you come along to dip your toes in. Ultimately they took the topic off on a tangent. I've only said its not perfect. And u dun have to be a rocket scientist to realize there is no perfect healthcare. So its an obvious statement. Then whats the problem? Whats with the disagreement? It seems they just needed to let off some steam. Looks like you do too, trying to play jury. Let me know if you need another cookie.