I am by no means defending carriers, there rates are reasonable if it is for voice only but unfortunately they force a combined plan on consumers for voice and data in most cases which I find uneconomical. People thought eliminating the 3 yr plans was wonderful and I couldn't really see the logic as the subsidy was then integrated into a 2yr plan. As you point out the carrier have used this to grab even more money in some cases. I just get such a laugh out of these threads because people scream bloody murder about carriers ripping them off but they can't break their addiction to their smartphone and succumb to these ridiculous plans.
New 2 Year Contract Law screwing customers more? Rogers/Telus
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- putty
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- libballeng
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@Putty: you failed to see my post where I quoted Kasakato and bolded the section where the big 3 was being greedy. If you re-read it you will see that the big 3 did not change the subsidy, its still there. What Kasakato was saying was that the greedy carriers wanted to get 3 years worth of monthly fees and get it all in 24 months, hence the monthly fee increase.
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There is the root of the issue. No one intended for 2 year contracts to become a profit driving activity- but the carriers made them one. I do not see how consumers take any liability.putty wrote: ↑I am by no means defending carriers, there rates are reasonable if it is for voice only but unfortunately they force a combined plan on consumers for voice and data in most cases which I find uneconomical. People thought eliminating the 3 yr plans was wonderful and I couldn't really see the logic as the subsidy was then integrated into a 2yr plan. As you point out the carrier have used this to grab even more money in some cases. I just get such a laugh out of these threads because people scream bloody murder about carriers ripping them off but they can't break their addiction to their smartphone and succumb to these ridiculous plans.
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Consumers take liability when they have to have the latest device, like an addiction they HAVE to have the newest iPhone and carriers feed off of this. So I have no empathy for consumer in these cases when they claim they are being ripped off, you wanted the latest and greatest now you have to pay for it. If you want a reasonable deal on cellular service buy an unlocked device, older device, or used device and many carriers will give you a deal on a bring your own device plan. Really, how much better is a new phone compared to one that was released a year earlier?
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Thats great, but completely irrelevant.putty wrote: ↑Consumers take liability when they have to have the latest device, like an addiction they HAVE to have the newest iPhone and carriers feed off of this. So I have no empathy for consumer in these cases when they claim they are being ripped off, you wanted the latest and greatest now you have to pay for it. If you want a reasonable deal on cellular service buy an unlocked device, older device, or used device and many carriers will give you a deal on a bring your own device plan. Really, how much better is a new phone compared to one that was released a year earlier?
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It is hilarious how putty has ignored the calculations showing how greedy the carriers are, just because it will show the size of his brain lol
- napoleon1769
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So instead of complaining can you advise what the consumer should do?
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*shrug* I made a suggestion earliernapoleon1769 wrote: ↑So instead of complaining can you advise what the consumer should do?
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That's not what's happening though. They are trying to recoup almost the entire 3 years of revenue but providing only 2 years of service. They also raised rates for plans/phones that were already available on 2 year terms (and therefore the subsidy and repayment period is unchanged) and hiked prices for off contract (where there is no subsidy).KIDAVENGER wrote: ↑You have to pay for the phone, now you just have to pay for it in 2 years instead of three; don't like it? Buy your phone outright, put it on your credit card, see how much they charge you in interest over 3 years...
As much as the nut huggers want to blame the CRTC rules and the consumers for these new much higher prices, the severity of the increases is entirely due to the carriers choices.
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Basically correct, other than the price increases having almost nothing to do with the subsidy. At all.putty wrote: ↑What did you expect to happen when the CRTC mandated no more 3 yr contracts? Of course the carriers then have to recoup their hardware subsidy after two years, did you think the CRTC mandate would have them give you free money? That's why the 2 yr mandate was BS from the beginning now you have less choice.
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Great. Does that explain the hikes for off contract? Or for phones/plans that were already priced with 2 years terms?putty wrote: ↑Consumers take liability when they have to have the latest device, like an addiction they HAVE to have the newest iPhone and carriers feed off of this. So I have no empathy for consumer in these cases when they claim they are being ripped off, you wanted the latest and greatest now you have to pay for it. If you want a reasonable deal on cellular service buy an unlocked device, older device, or used device and many carriers will give you a deal on a bring your own device plan. Really, how much better is a new phone compared to one that was released a year earlier?
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- redgrandam
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What they should have done is separated the phone from the plan completely. That's why they did to a certain extent, but then it would be easier to keep plans down without putting the 2yr thing in it. If you want a phone then the phone companies could simply finance it for 2 years.
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How so?crtc restricted and eliminated choice .ceredon wrote: ↑That's not what's happening though. They are trying to recoup almost the entire 3 years of revenue but providing only 2 years of service. They also raised rates for plans/phones that were already available on 2 year terms (and therefore the subsidy and repayment period is unchanged) and hiked prices for off contract (where there is no subsidy).
As much as the nut huggers want to blame the CRTC rules and the consumers for these new much higher prices, the severity of the increases is entirely due to the carriers choices.
Yes carriers could've charged cheaper.but in the end..people wanted no more 3 year contracts because they are stupid and want less choice. Crtc let those people have their way and I'm laughing and shaking my head.
So point is..crtc eliminated choice and consumers are suffering. Definitely deserve it. No sympathy for stupidity... But I do feel sorry for the non idiots who didn't demand less choice and are not collateral damage of those who whined and got what they wanted and got everybody else to pay for their mistake
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The "choice" was an illusion. If you wanted a significant subsidy, you had a 3 year option. If you wanted no subsidy, you had a no contract option. For phones that had the 3 year option, the 2 year "option" was basically no discount at all so it wasn't a real option and was that was completely intentional. You could get $0 subsidy for no contract, $500 for 3 year or $50 for 2 year. Sorry, but that 3rd choice was only a choice for the mathematically challenged.gilboman wrote: ↑How so?crtc restricted and eliminated choice .
Yes carriers could've charged cheaper.but in the end..people wanted no more 3 year contracts because they are stupid and want less choice. Crtc let those people have their way and I'm laughing and shaking my head.
So point is..crtc eliminated choice and consumers are suffering. Definitely deserve it. No sympathy for stupidity... But I do feel sorry for the non idiots who didn't demand less choice and are not collateral damage of those who whined and got what they wanted and got everybody else to pay for their mistake
Unless one believes our carriers were uniquely incompetent, where they needed 3 years to achieve what every other carrier in the world can do in 2, the 3 year option was simply a way to take advantage of their unique situation.
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- Psykopathik
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or better yet, stop buying phones you cannot afford.KIDAVENGER wrote: ↑You have to pay for the phone, now you just have to pay for it in 2 years instead of three; don't like it? Buy your phone outright, put it on your credit card, see how much they charge you in interest over 3 years...
- Joannecavee
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What did she ask from Telus exactly? I want to get my son's phone upgraded
- Kasakato
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People are stupid for demanding that subsides be compressed into 2 years instead of 3? Where the prevailing standard is 2 years? Yup, completely stupid.gilboman wrote: ↑How so?crtc restricted and eliminated choice .
Yes carriers could've charged cheaper.but in the end..people wanted no more 3 year contracts because they are stupid and want less choice. Crtc let those people have their way and I'm laughing and shaking my head.
So point is..crtc eliminated choice and consumers are suffering. Definitely deserve it. No sympathy for stupidity... But I do feel sorry for the non idiots who didn't demand less choice and are not collateral damage of those who whined and got what they wanted and got everybody else to pay for their mistake
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EyfAh75.jpg[/IMG]
They have all settled into the same time of plan offerings with few exceptions (wind mobile being the exception, but your situation might not allow you to take advantage of their offerings)
They have all settled into the same time of plan offerings with few exceptions (wind mobile being the exception, but your situation might not allow you to take advantage of their offerings)
- redgrandam
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Is that an old chart? Telus no longer has an activation fee.thorton70 wrote: ↑[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EyfAh75.jpg[/IMG]
They have all settled into the same time of plan offerings with few exceptions (wind mobile being the exception, but your situation might not allow you to take advantage of their offerings)
Wish I could use Wind Unfortunately they have two towers not far from my house yet my house still doesn't get good service...
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