new emissions proposals by both CAD and US - any details?

[xsupenn]

anyone has further details on the new emissions proposals? all i can see is that essentially cars would cost approx $1100 more by 2016 (upfront) as a result of this. sure there's the potential to lower fuel consumption costs but i havent seen details on this.

actually will most cars that are produced today (Eg. 2010) be within the requirements for these emissions standards? what happens to older vehicles?

i would think that it wont be "retroactive" for obvious reasons. interesting how this would speed up hybrid sales (as cost will prolly be relatively less expensive now with this new standard).

[Pete_Coach]

Geez, ya watch the news and hear about a potential for a proposed regulation that may be enacted at some time in the future perhaps and you want the details already?

[Anonymouse]

There's nothing potential about it - these are real rules implementing a 40% fuel economy increase. There will be almost no 8 cylinder engines, and very few 6s under these rules. Companies like BMW will have to start giving us the 4 cylinder engines they offer in Europe. There will be a lot more forced induction.

I'm not sure what happens to Porsche; they'll likely absorb the fines and add them to the price of the vehicles.

[will888]

Rather than slim down engine size and horsepower, I hope the result is lighter vehicles. In the past 20 years, vehicle weight has gained 30-40%. This is as much to blame as anything else for raising fuel consumption. Bring back the under 2000 lb compact that can be tossed around like a lotus elise.

[xsupenn]

of course. i wanna profit from this. thanks for replying you guys. i guess we'll just have to wait but im almost certain we're heading there sooner rather than later. however, im sure these car co's have a way to get around this with their inline 4's. hondata will make much more $! LOL time to scour for some of these stocks with such businesses.

Geez, ya watch the news and hear about a potential for a proposed regulation that may be enacted at some time in the future perhaps and you want the details already?

[Buggy166]

Rather than slim down engine size and horsepower, I hope the result is lighter vehicles. In the past 20 years, vehicle weight has gained 30-40%. This is as much to blame as anything else for raising fuel consumption. Bring back the under 2000 lb compact that can be tossed around like a lotus elise.

try driving a sub 1000 kg car in a toronto blizzard on the highway in a straight line...then let me know about low weight...this aint florida lol. on the flipside wasnt the mustang something stupid like 4.5 tons?

[connecting_rodd]

try driving a sub 1000 kg car in a toronto blizzard on the highway in a straight line...then let me know about low weight...this aint florida lol. on the flipside wasnt the mustang something stupid like 4.5 tons?

LOL cars don't need to be 4000 lbs to go straight down the highway in the snow. Cars over the last two decades have exploded in weight. If you want good fuel economy, this needs to be tackled.

[xsupenn]

SUV/CUV/Q5/Q7/Touareg/CR-V/RAV goes the way of the dodo?

LOL cars don't need to be 4000 lbs to go straight down the highway in the snow. Cars over the last two decades have exploded in weight. If you want good fuel economy, this needs to be tackled.

[adrenaline rush]

The main reason why cars have gotten heavier is the increased size, safety features and reinforced structures to meet government standards.

To get both safety and light weight, you will most likely have to go to carbon composites which are quite expensive.

[connecting_rodd]

The main reason why cars have gotten heavier is the increased size, safety features and reinforced structures to meet government standards.

To get both safety and light weight, you will most likely have to go to carbon composites which are quite expensive.

Sure safety is where some of the weight comes from, but also electronic gadgets which new cars are laden with, most of which is really unnecessary.

To cut weight, cars will have to reduce this clutter along with reductions in overall size.

[connecting_rodd]

SUV/CUV/Q5/Q7/Touareg/CR-V/RAV goes the way of the dodo?

CRV - 3386 - 3554LBS

but the other vehicles listed along with half the other cars on the road would need considerable work

[zivan56]

The ironic thing is that newer emission standards are reducing fuel economy. That's why small cars of the past were quite fuel efficient.

[will888]

try driving a sub 1000 kg car in a toronto blizzard on the highway in a straight line...then let me know about low weight...this aint florida lol. on the flipside wasnt the mustang something stupid like 4.5 tons?

I made my comment on actual experience my friend. I have driven many sub 2000 lb vehicles in my lifetime and in TO, not Florida. The last one was a turbo colt made by Mitsu. That car was a blast, drives like it was on rails, goes exactly where you point it. That car had barely over 100 hp but accelerates like a car today with 200 hp. Oh one last thing, once car makers switched to front wheel drive format in the early 1980s, I stopped using snow tires.

[Pete_Coach]

try driving a sub 1000 kg car in a toronto blizzard on the highway in a straight line...then let me know about low weight...this aint florida lol. on the flipside wasnt the mustang something stupid like 4.5 tons?

It must be hell in Northern European countries where sub 1000kg vehicles abound? Many places get snow, Canada does not have exclusive domain. Thing here is, you learn to adapt and clearly some folks just cannot.
I have been in wet heavy snow storms in northern Scotland, as well as Sweden. No problems for those folks in their Smart Cars or Fiat 500 or all the others (diesel engines too, for the emissions folks).

[connecting_rodd]

The ironic thing is that newer emission standards are reducing fuel economy. That's why small cars of the past were quite fuel efficient.

Cars today are producing more power while having better mileage than ever before.

The argument that emission controls are drastically hurting fuel economy may have been true in the early days of emission controls (70's) but today, it's possible to make an engine clean while being extremely efficient.

With that said, there is one area where my above statement may not be true, and that's in regard to lean burn technology, which if used, could significantly improve fuel economy. The reason it has been delayed is due to emission concerns do to current 3 way cats requiring a A:F mixture around 14.7:1.