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New SSD or wait for Optane?

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New SSD or wait for Optane?

I've got an older SSD, Crucial M500 480GB, space has been fine on it, but recently bought a Z270 mobo with 7700K (GPU is GTX 1080)

Would it be worthwhile to upgrade to a Samsung 960 Pro PCI-E SSD, or wait for Optane, which seems to be like a caching mechanism between the SSD and ram?

Or is still too soon to tell. The Samsung 960s haven't been on sale nor dropping in price at all.
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If you have the money burning a hole in your pocket and want faster edge-case performance, go for it. Optane as a flash replacement is still a ways off.

A lot of people will say that there are no real-world performance gains to be had from PCI-E SSDs, but that simply isn't true. Sure it's not as dramatic a difference as HDD->SSD, but it is noticeable in everyday tasks like boot and application loading times.

See my post here (as well as the entire thread on this topic) and the linked video:
pci-e-ssd-overkill-2080919/#p27477852
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Do you really need the Samsung 960 Pro? Get the 960 Evo version and save some dough.

SSD prices aren't going down this year. It's actually a small miracle they haven't jumped in price like RAM.... yet.
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ROYinTO wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 1:20 pm
I found a recent roadmap if that helps:
http://wccftech.com/intel-optane-memory ... fications/
Thats actually quite old, and why does the writer compare it to a 850 Evo at the end chart, when 960 Evo and Pro were already out then?
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Mar 14th, 2017 1:21 pm
If you have the money burning a hole in your pocket and want faster edge-case performance, go for it. Optane as a flash replacement is still a ways off.

A lot of people will say that there are no real-world performance gains to be had from PCI-E SSDs, but that simply isn't true. Sure it's not as dramatic a difference as HDD->SSD, but it is noticeable in everyday tasks like boot and application loading times.

See my post here (as well as the entire thread on this topic) and the linked video:
pci-e-ssd-overkill-2080919/#p27477852
Looks like there are huge % gains, but it doesn't seem to justify the price, since I already have a 480GB M500, thanks
joeyjoejoe wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 1:27 pm
Do you really need the Samsung 960 Pro? Get the 960 Evo version and save some dough.

SSD prices aren't going down this year. It's actually a small miracle they haven't jumped in price like RAM.... yet.
Thats an option too, but I hope you're wrong about the SSD prices not going down :(
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Mar 14th, 2017 1:30 pm
If money is no real issue and your hardware can support the PCIe .. go with the SSD 960 PRO NVMe M.2 2TB. Sure it costs you about $1200USD but what the heck, you only live once and you want pure performance, do it right :)

http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/mem ... -v6p2t0bw/
Yeah I'm not going to drop that much coin on a SSD, got money, but not stupid amounts of money.
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B0000rt wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 1:56 pm

Looks like there are huge % gains, but it doesn't seem to justify the price, since I already have a 480GB M500, thanks
If you've already decided that "huge gains" don't justify the price, why post the question in the first place?
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birthdaymonkey wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 2:25 pm
If you've already decided that "huge gains" don't justify the price, why post the question in the first place?
I made the decision from your post. Thank you. :rolleyes:

I was hoping more of a 9 second to 1 second sort of deal, but I guess not. We'll see how Optane peforms
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B0000rt wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 2:34 pm
I made the decision from your post. Thank you. :rolleyes:

I was hoping more of a 9 second to 1 second sort of deal, but I guess not. We'll see how Optane peforms
Ah gotcha. I guess it's a case of tone not coming across in text.
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B0000rt wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 1:56 pm
Thats actually quite old,
My apologies.
I would not have considered something posted on Oct 14, 2016 to be ancient.
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B0000rt wrote:
Mar 14th, 2017 1:56 pm
Yeah I'm not going to drop that much coin on a SSD, got money, but not stupid amounts of money.
This is bleeding edge speeds.. well worth the money.. 3500MB/s (3.5GB/s) ;)
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GB/$ for SATA SSDs is still far superior to NVMe. I would not sacrifice capacity for speed.
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board123 wrote:
Mar 16th, 2017 11:49 am
GB/$ for SATA SSDs is still far superior to NVMe. I would not sacrifice capacity for speed.
Superior in what sense? the fact that SATA is highly used over NVMe which is fairly new to commerical use and mostly used in laptops. This drive is 2TB in size and sure it's a little on the high side for cost at about $1.71/GB but still the pay off is far superior if you require the performance and can utilize it. Currently there is no SSD SATA that can compare to the performance of this drive.
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markopas wrote:
Mar 16th, 2017 12:52 pm
Superior in what sense? the fact that SATA is highly used over NVMe which is fairly new to commerical use and mostly used in laptops. This drive is 2TB in size and sure it's a little on the high side for cost at about $1.71/GB but still the pay off is far superior if you require the performance and can utilize it. Currently there is no SSD SATA that can compare to the performance of this drive.
Superior in the sense of GB/$. It's right there in my post.
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markopas wrote:
Mar 16th, 2017 10:38 am
This is bleeding edge speeds.. well worth the money.. 3500MB/s (3.5GB/s) ;)
Random performance is much more important than just pure sequential speed. However the higher end drives with very high sequential do generally have better random performance but that's where the extra speed comes from rather than 3.5GB/sec.
Manufacturers showcase high sequential disk transfer speeds in selling their SSDs solely for their lightning fast appearance yet, these high sequential speeds are actually the disk transfer method that is used the least at less than 1% in  total.  As much as we would like to lay blame solely on the SSD companies, the majority of blame actually goes right back to the new SSD consumer who knows of no other way to differentiate between the myriad of SSDs available other than through high sequential performance.
http://www.thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/ ... s-bluff/2/

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