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# New Stat Pay Calculation Ontario

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[OP]
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Jul 25, 2008
803 posts
Toronto

## New Stat Pay Calculation Ontario

Hi Folks,

I'm in charge of reviewing payroll before sending it out to our payroll company and I notice the calculation for News Year Day 2018 is much different than Christmas/Boxing Day calculation. We have a lot of part-time employees and it seems the new calculation benefits the employees.

For example,

Old calculation: Say you work 1 day a week at \$100 per day with 4% vacation pay accrued each pay
so its gross wage over the last 4 weeks prior to that holiday + your vacation pay / 20
\$416/20 = \$20.80 in stat pay

New calculation:
Reg wage earned in last pay period (say Bi-weekly pay period) before that holiday / number of days worked
\$200/2 = \$100 in stat pay.

Is this correct? Did I miss something? Awesome for the employees, crappy for the employer I suppose if this is the new rule.
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Deal Fanatic
Dec 27, 2009
5655 posts
Ottawa, ON
Seems screwy to me (but then a lot of the changes they have made really bone employers up the arse, so I'm not too surprised).
Deal Expert
Aug 22, 2011
23706 posts
Ottawa
Didi_beee wrote:
Jan 9th, 2018 10:01 am
Hi Folks,

I'm in charge of reviewing payroll before sending it out to our payroll company and I notice the calculation for News Year Day 2018 is much different than Christmas/Boxing Day calculation. We have a lot of part-time employees and it seems the new calculation benefits the employees.

For example,

Old calculation: Say you work 1 day a week at \$100 per day with 4% vacation pay accrued each pay
so its gross wage over the last 4 weeks prior to that holiday + your vacation pay / 20
\$416/20 = \$20.80 in stat pay

New calculation:
Reg wage earned in last pay period (say Bi-weekly pay period) before that holiday / number of days worked
\$200/2 = \$100 in stat pay.

Is this correct? Did I miss something? Awesome for the employees, crappy for the employer I suppose if this is the new rule.
Try again at the below.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/public-holi ... calculator
[OP]
Sr. Member
Jul 25, 2008
803 posts
Toronto
vkizzle wrote:
Jan 9th, 2018 4:46 pm
Try again at the below.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/public-holi ... calculator
Yeah thats what I used in the first place and first discovered the change in how its calculated. Its a huge difference for employers who have a lot of part-time employees. My boss is more p’d off about this than a \$14 min wage hike since the employees already make more than that.
Newbie
Jan 10, 2018
5 posts
I'm just working on payroll, too and find this quite confusing for the stat pay for New Year's Day. The old calculator they had was much more friendly-user and I'm not understanding why the difference between Christmas Day/Boxing Day vs. New Year's Day.
I always thought it was the first 4 weeks (bi-weekly) before the holiday divided by 20, though, their new scenarios are just 2 weeks divided by 10. However, when you follow the payroll calculator for Christmas Stat - it goes go by 4 weeks/20.
Does anyone know what's going on for New Year's Day and how to truly calculate it right?
Newbie
Jan 10, 2018
5 posts
OK - got an answer from Service Ontario: Christmas/Boxing Day is November 26 to Dec 23 (reg wages plus vacation pay). New Year's Day is Dec 17 to Dec 23 (reg wages). NEW LEGISLATION as of Jan 1/2018 (That's for bi-weekly as that is the way my payroll dates run)
Our guys are off from Dec 23 to Jan 2 so the old way the calculation would have been December 3 to Dec 30 (company would have no wages for one week so less holiday pay for Jan 1) Now I have to pay them holiday pay from wages earned Dec 17 to Dec 23. The old calculations for one of our employees would have been \$90.30 for NYD, now it is \$119.00. Answer is NEW LEGISLATION!
I have to admit I have a lot of frustration with everything - not every company is the same. Most retail are cash upon purchase so they get their money - we are a trade and lucky if we get paid within 45 days. Sometimes we don't get paid, our last court hearing for non-payment took 6 years and we received the amount we originally asked for but now we owe our lawyer \$10,000.00. Right now, we are waiting on 2 hearings (one for \$89,000.00 and one for \$35,000.00). We just had another guy tell us to take him to court for \$6,000.00. I still have to pay my employees, any sub-contractors and suppliers for these jobs. These are large hits to take on a business - everything is maxed out to help cover costs and in 2017, I only payed myself 4 months to cut costs (I'm not an owner who gets paid a lot to begin with: \$2500/month - I get paid less than our employees as does my husband). Right now, we are seriously considering closing our business down - we are only holding on because it will feel like we are admitting we are failures as a business owner. SORRY - had to VENT!!
Last edited by MusketeerMom on Jan 11th, 2018 1:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
[OP]
Sr. Member
Jul 25, 2008
803 posts
Toronto
Yup, I did a test calculation and my boss has to pay \$500 more in stat pay for Jan 1 holiday vs the Christmas and Boxing day holiday combined...Good for me, I basically get 10hrs of pay extra for working only 2 days during the last pay period.

But a few of our part-timers are being let go and my schedule is shittier now starting February.
Newbie
Jan 10, 2018
5 posts
Another question - my employee just told me that he is to get 6% vacation now, not 4%. Is this correct? Currently, on hold for the last hour to get ServiceOntario to clarify.
Jun 3, 2005
1017 posts
MusketeerMom wrote:
Jan 12th, 2018 12:05 pm
Another question - my employee just told me that he is to get 6% vacation now, not 4%. Is this correct? Currently, on hold for the last hour to get ServiceOntario to clarify.
If that employee has been employed for at least 5 years at your company then yes, they get bumped up to 6% vacation pay under the new legislation.
Deal Fanatic
Dec 27, 2009
5655 posts
Ottawa, ON
Yes, not sure why you would be on hold for this? It is a very quick google search. Finally Ontario has caught up with what many other places already had in their rules.
[OP]
Sr. Member
Jul 25, 2008
803 posts
Toronto
For the 6% vacation pay, does anyone know if it only applies to full timers? I am on my 6th year but I took 1 year off for mat leave and I also work part-time
Jun 3, 2005
1017 posts
Didi_beee wrote:
Jan 12th, 2018 2:44 pm
For the 6% vacation pay, does anyone know if it only applies to full timers? I am on my 6th year but I took 1 year off for mat leave and I also work part-time
No, the 6% vacation rule applies to all employees.
Nov 13, 2013
1370 posts
OTTAWA
Didi_beee wrote:
Jan 11th, 2018 1:17 pm
Yup, I did a test calculation and my boss has to pay \$500 more in stat pay for Jan 1 holiday vs the Christmas and Boxing day holiday combined...Good for me, I basically get 10hrs of pay extra for working only 2 days during the last pay period.

But a few of our part-timers are being let go and my schedule is shittier now starting February.
New rule discourages part time work over full time work to some extent which overall is probably a good thing.
Newbie
Nov 14, 2014
30 posts
SK
Thank you for posting these links since I didn't even realize part-time employees were entitled to ANY holiday pay! I've been working under a "casual on-call" contract for >5 years, where my hours vary according to workload and personal preference, and have never been paid for any stat other than normal pay if I happen to work that day.

Could you please confirm if I'm reading the above info correctly that even if I don't actually work on the stat I'm entitled to the amount output by the holiday pay calculator tool? Want to make sure I understand how this works before asking HR about why I haven't been getting paid for these.
[OP]
Sr. Member
Jul 25, 2008
803 posts