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Only China can save the planet now that the United States has abandoned any claim to climate leadership

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  • Mar 20th, 2017 1:43 pm
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Pretty sure the planet will survive long after humans are gone.
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SLee wrote:
Mar 10th, 2017 8:59 pm
The journalist lives in China and somehow doesn't realize that China produces about as much CO2 as the US and the EU combined. So much for that savior.
Err, somehow you don't realize that comparing number of countries is meaningless, you have to compare total population.

Population of China ~ 1.35 Billion
Population of U.S. + Europe just over 1 Billion

So China's pollution is less per person than U.S. + Europe.
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JoeBlack23 wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 3:09 am
Err, somehow you don't realize that comparing number of countries is meaningless, you have to compare total population.
If CO2 is the threat that some people think it is, per capita emissions don't matter, just the absolute. And therefore China's 10+ GT of CO2 emissions is by far the biggest current contributor.
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SLee wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 3:34 am
If CO2 is the threat that some people think it is, per capita emissions don't matter, just the absolute. And therefore China's 10+ GT of CO2 emissions is by far the biggest current contributor.
Pretty stupid logic there. China produces more renewable energy than any country on earth, and they are moving towards a cleaner grid faster than anyone else. In fact, CO2 emissions has PEAKED, it has remained flat since last year. This is amazing, because technically they are still a developing country.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 1:29 pm
Pretty stupid logic there. China produces more renewable energy than any country on earth, and they are moving towards a cleaner grid faster than anyone else. In fact, CO2 emissions has PEAKED, it has remained flat since last year. This is amazing, because technically they are still a developing country.
CO2 emissions has peaked, but probably only temporarily because they are still a developing country and their economy has stagnated in recent years, and that they reserve the right to not peak until 2030. And even it did peaked, it is still 10+ GT of CO2 emissions a year, an incredible increase in the last 15 years that is almost unimaginable.

China is doing some good things, but in comparison to its staggering fossil fuel usage, it's basically a blip.

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